contract extension offered by no paperwork received yet?

**tarbera** · 22 February 2012, 10:08

what else have you got to do.?

Originally posted by Davenutter View Post

Hi,

My first post, so please be gentle!

I am a reasonably new contractor (year and half) and am currently in a contract due to end today.

I was offered 3 month extension to this a week ago and as yet I haven't seen any paperwork. They insist that the deal is done and that "internal process" is holding it up.

If I come in tomorrow without something on paper I would guess that I am putting myself at risk of working for nothing if it doesn't materalise, yet if I don't come in for the same reason am I putting a black mark against my name for being awkward?

I would really appreciate some feedback.

Regards
David

what else are you going to do stay at home and watch daytime TV ? with the risk of getting terminated?

get to work and take the risk

**Umbongoo** · 22 February 2012, 10:17

Either, get the agent or the client to email you a formal response to the effect that you will be required on site after today and something to the effect that you are to be extended, but that there is currently an admin problem, or something along these lines. Should put your mind at rest. Email is considered a legal document as far as I'm aware. If from the client, cc the agent too or give them the nod.

**northernladuk** · 22 February 2012, 10:18

Originally posted by Davenutter View Post

Hi,

My first post, so please be gentle!

I am a reasonably new contractor (year and half) and am currently in a contract due to end today.

I was offered 3 month extension to this a week ago and as yet I haven't seen any paperwork. They insist that the deal is done and that "internal process" is holding it up.

If I come in tomorrow without something on paper I would guess that I am putting myself at risk of working for nothing if it doesn't materalise, yet if I don't come in for the same reason am I putting a black mark against my name for being awkward?

I would really appreciate some feedback.

Regards
David

You have left some key points out here. Firstly turning up without permission and no contract would put you in an enormous amount of hot water. You would be illegally accessing your EX!! clients systems, premises and so on, invalidating their insurances and so on. Technically you are just a member of public now. If you do not have solid agreement to come back you stay away. Period.

If you have it in writing that you can attend and contract paperwork follows then that is enough. I would like to see it in an email from your boss, his boss and finance guy to say they are all happy with it. If you are with an agent I would like him involved as well. By turning up you have an implied contract which would be subject to the last terms agreed. Proving this type of contact can be a minefield if it all goes wrong though.

It isn't uncommon to not have a contract ready and sometimes you just have to take it on the chin, it is how contractors work. To expect to turn up on site and get pain is Permie mentality and a tip of the iceberg to bigger IR35 problems IMO...

Originally posted by tarbera View Post

what else are you going to do stay at home and watch daytime TV ? with the risk of getting terminated?

get to work and take the risk

Words just fail me

**pmeswani** · 22 February 2012, 10:27

What NLUK says makes a lot of sense. Don't turn up onsite unless you have a contract to sign, or if your reporting manager and the finance guy says they approve you to be onsite (This will need to be in writing). If something goes wrong, you may end up personally responsible for it. A contract is there to protect you, the agent and the client. If your client refuses to acknowledge in writing you are authorised to be onsite without a contract, inform the agency that you cannot come onsite until a contract renewal has been sent to you and formally accepted by you.

**pmeswani** · 22 February 2012, 10:30

Originally posted by tarbera View Post

what else are you going to do stay at home and watch daytime TV ? with the risk of getting terminated?

get to work and take the risk

This has just made me

By going onsite without a contract, you are opening up a can of worms. Your Ltd Insurance won't protect you. The client's Insurance won't protect you. The agency is under no obligation to pay you.

**tarbera** · 22 February 2012, 11:05

lol

Originally posted by pmeswani View Post

This has just made me

By going onsite without a contract, you are opening up a can of worms. Your Ltd Insurance won't protect you. The client's Insurance won't protect you. The agency is under no obligation to pay you.

Your Ltd Insurance won't protect you = wow a 0.00001% Risk
The client's Insurance won't protect you = wow they don't even care or a 0.00001% Risk
The agency is under no obligation to pay you = you already have an email from the agent saying they will.

lol - super, not back in the real world

**pmeswani** · 22 February 2012, 11:13

Originally posted by tarbera View Post

Your Ltd Insurance won't protect you = wow a 0.00001% Risk
The client's Insurance won't protect you = wow they don't even care or a 0.00001% Risk
The agency is under no obligation to pay you = you already have an email from the agent saying they will.

lol - super, not back in the real world

Really? 0.00001% Risk? Wow! I would love to see your Risk Assessment. All the client needs to do is to find something that has gone wrong, that someone in the team has done and blame you for it. If you think that is a 0.00001% Risk, good on you. I'm just glad I'm not in your shoes.

But have you got the client's permission to be onsite without a contract? If not and the agency is happy to pay you even if the client won't pay them...... good luck. Don't take everything the agent says as gospel until it is formalised and signed.

**northernladuk** · 22 February 2012, 11:16

Originally posted by tarbera View Post

Your Ltd Insurance won't protect you = wow a 0.00001% Risk
The client's Insurance won't protect you = wow they don't even care or a 0.00001% Risk
The agency is under no obligation to pay you = you already have an email from the agent saying they will.

lol - super, not back in the real world

I think it is worth an infraction to call you an idiot and

nearly everything you seem to say. It is boarding on embarrassing at times..

You think a company doesn't care that it has people on site that potentially open them to limitless insurance claims? You could not be more wrong! ...and it isn't just insurance, it is data policies, access to premises. You speak to any company and ask if they are ok with this? Terrible attitude. You do not take risks on behalf of your client.

If you read the OP's mail he has a contract coming. It doesn't mention anything about start dates or rolling or permission to start on the next Monday. You have made a very dangerous assumption. Most of us are well aware that a mail from an agent saying he will pay isn't worth the air he breathed while writing it.

It is called having a professional attitude.. look it up.

**pmeswani** · 22 February 2012, 11:25

Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

I think it is worth an infraction to call you an idiot and

nearly everything you seem to say. It is boarding on embarrassing at times..

You think a company doesn't care that it has people on site that potentially open them to limitless insurance claims? You could not be more wrong! ...and it isn't just insurance, it is data policies, access to premises. You speak to any company and ask if they are ok with this? Terrible attitude. You do not take risks on behalf of your client.

If you read the OP's mail he has a contract coming. It doesn't mention anything about start dates or rolling or permission to start on the next Monday. You have made a very dangerous assumption. Most of us are well aware that a mail from an agent saying he will pay isn't worth the air he breathed while writing it.

It is called having a professional attitude.. look it up.

I rarely pay someone a compliment, but NLUK has put it elegantly. So I am going to say what NLUK said.

contract extension offered by no paperwork received yet?