Charity Sector

[oscarose]

One less charity in the world makes it a better place.

Now Wim, please let me explain one final time with an example.

The Greek financial shambles has meant kids have been dumped and left to die on the streets. I guess your statement supports this behaviour? Without charities they would be dead.

Thanks, Oscar.

[wim121]

How is the world a better place?

If people with a cash surplus want to help others put food on their plates, what's the problem?

Please explain your reasoning.

Thanks, Oscar.

I dont mean the following to be rude (just I despise charities and loath all associated with them in any way), but you are highly ignorant of the way charities work. But I do respect your candour/politeness and have no problem explaining.

I agree with you, if you have time or cash to spare, there is no problem in helping others. Charity is about helping your common person, without reward or recognition as a motivator. Many people though have no idea what the word or notion of charity entails. At this stage, I would recommend the bible to educate the dumbfounded masses.

Charities operate as a business, one that siphons off the publics goodwill as much as they can, especially the big ones. They act as a way for fools to feel absolved by dropping money in a bucket. They are scam artists working as highly illegal businesses masquerading behind a charitable guise, including the one you are working for.

From oxfam bribing sheiks to get aid in to the country, then misplacing aid and not researching what aid is required where, oxfam as well as many others, wasting donations in vast operating costs, much like the project you are involved in. Hiring contractors and employing expensive solutions on peoples goodwill, very sickening. Think how many donations people have made out of ignorance and their own strapped pockets, to keep you in a high paying contractor position.

In my naive youth, I volunteered for cancer research UK (even that notion is retarded as no further research is needed) and saw how other volunteers would bagsy/steal all the good stock coming in so customers could never purchase it, the way that acceptable donations werent ever displayed to paying customers as they were deemed not profitable enough, the mismanagement of money and the wages given to tiny shop managers which are far more than local department store managers get. Feel free to look around the internet at shop management jobs, in some deprived areas in the northwest, BHF were offering £26k, while peacocks was offering £22k. From my experience, just for a manager to laze around the charity shop and do sod all to get extra cash in then leave halfway through the day to go home to his sty and fire one off.

The problem is across the board. Think that "volunteer" getting people to sign up DD's to british red cross is doing so out of his own time? No, he gets paid for knocking on your door and then bonuses for each person signed up. He isnt doing so because he believes in the cause and wants the charity to help as many people as possible.

Even the small meagre amount that does get through to the cause, still doesnt. For example, age concern employs managers to decide how to disperse funds at even more expense. A very highly paid job for basic mathematics, but yet more donations are squandered. Then expensive carers go out to the select few to do their shopping for instance.


The general populace doesnt give it too much thought as donating absolves thought for them. They dont realise or care that out of the money they donate, hardly any goes to the cause after the collector is paid and given bonuses, operating costs, billing, merchandise such as fluffy toys posted out, mismangement across the board, bribery and corruption in nearly all charities within the UK that would surprise an african, etc etc.


If you want to help the aged, knock on your elderly neighbours door and get their shopping (milk, bread, etc) Do that once a month spending a couple of quid. That will help far more many people to a greater extent than giving money to charlatan charities.

I am not saying here, not to support good causes, I support them all the time, but I never give donations to any large charities and even some smaller ones are just as shady. Everyone I work with on a charitable basis I have intimate knowledge of what they do and their balance sheets, as I would never help any charlatan.

Finally, charity begins at home. We have people living in real poverty and abuse in our own country, lets focus on that before we are to be so arrogant, that we think we know how to solve the rest of the world.

[wim121]

Now Wim, please let me explain one final time with an example.

The Greek financial shambles has meant kids have been dumped and left to die on the streets. I guess your statement supports this behaviour? Without charities they would be dead.

Thanks, Oscar.

With correct social responsibility, many more starving people living in poverty could be helped out. Mainstream charity is not the correct way to help people.


As I said in my example about age concern in this country, if you bypass a corrupt charity and instead help the person directly, 100% of your donation goes to the cause.


Also why do you use a greek example? We have many people in this country living in poverty. You would be surprised at how many people cant even afford to eat in your own neighbourhood.

[TheFaQQer]

In my naive youth, I volunteered for cancer research UK (even that notion is retarded as no further research is needed)

You'd have thought that the announcement of having cured all forms of cancer would have made bigger news.

[oscarose]

If you want to help the aged, knock on your elderly neighbours door and get their shopping (milk, bread, etc) Do that once a month spending a couple of quid. That will help far more many people to a greater extent than giving money to charlatan charities.

Thanks for the explanation Wim and I now understand your viewpoint better. The quoted paragraph stands out and couldn't agree more. The charity I'm working for isn't a typical one i.e. the public don't donate to it. The organisation just happens to have charitable status because of the business sector it's in.

[TheFaQQer]

The organisation just happens to have charitable status because of the business sector it's in.

If it's a private school then let them get taken to the cleaners.

[oscarose]

If it's a private school then let them get taken to the cleaners.

Correct. It's in the education sector, but not a private school or university. There aren't many of them so being a bit cagey as who knows who reads these forums.

[cojak]

Philosophical debates should be posted in General.

Please lets keep this to Business/Contracts.

[wim121]

Thanks for the explanation Wim and I now understand your viewpoint better. The quoted paragraph stands out and couldn't agree more.

Thank you and again, I didnt mean to come across as rude, just societies general consensus on charitable work annoys me greatly.

Correct. It's in the education sector, but not a private school or university. There aren't many of them so being a bit cagey as who knows who reads these forums.

Yes a good idea. Even in the last week, someone came on and named the client co they were going to work for, saying the business sector seemed dodgy. Not a great idea when CUK shows up so well in google.

Philosophical debates should be posted in General.

Please lets keep this to Business/Contracts.

Sorry cojak, I'll try to be more careful.

[cojak]

No problem wim, just to remind you.