First rate staredown!

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I'd be looking for a replacement and someone to take a handover from you pretty sharpish before getting rid.

It depends if they are organised enough to be asking regarding renewals 3 weeks before renewal it may well be a simple response of please document everything and bye bye.

Also while you think people may value you, you may find its you they think of as a pillock for leaving them in the lurch not the company and not the agency.

[craig1]

Great topic. Could we re-name it "how I lost my job"?

Congratulations on demanding more money, only to find out that the client doesn't value you as much as you thought.

Good luck in the job market - get your thinking cap on for the inevitable question of "why did you leave your last contract" - I wouldn't take someone on who said "well, I went for a rate increase from the client, and they wouldn't budge, so I went for the agents margin, and they wouldn't reduce it, so I left". That's ticking time bomb central......

Don't ask, don't get. If I got to the point where the contract had no challenge or I felt under-paid and my war-chest was big enough to cope with a lengthy lay-off then I'd be asking for a rate rise with a fairly robust "negotiate or I walk" attitude. If they didn't negotiate then I wouldn't feel upset about walking.

Also, when asked that "inevitable question", my answer is always something along the lines of: "it was a short term contract and it came to a natural end, after all, I'm not a permie".

[2BIT]

It depends if they are organised enough to be asking regarding renewals 3 weeks before renewal it may well be a simple response of please document everything and bye bye.

Also while you think people may value you, you may find its you they think of as a pillock for leaving them in the lurch not the company and not the agency.

'leaving them in the lurch' ?!?! - that's permie talk -

I prob wont be renewing my current contract due to the rate not being increased, the role is changing to include managerial and technical ownership responsibilities but they didn't up my rate (or ask if I wanted to be extended) - I'm certainly not leaving them in the lurch as they have been nieve in thinking I'd do more work and take on more responsibility for the same rate

I think you made the right call PortSeven - you haven't lost a job just decided not to pursue a certain contract, any well ran business would do the same...

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'leaving them in the lurch' ?!?! - that's permie talk -

Yes, they are the permies left behind when you leave. You have to remember as a contractor unless you were liked by everyone (and even if you were) you will be blamed for every mistake and disaster once you've left.

[2BIT]

Yes, they are the permies left behind when you leave. You have to remember as a contractor unless you were liked by everyone (and even if you were) you will be blamed for every mistake and disaster once you've left.

yeah but how will you know/why will you care when you are no longer there?

same thing happens if you are a perm, you leave and people start to blame you for things, human nature

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yeah but how will you know/why will you care when you are no longer there?

same thing happens if you are a perm, you leave and people start to blame you for things, human nature

While I agree I do think you are missing the point here. The original poster believes that people will be annoyed when he announces he isn't renewing and thinks that they may make getting an increase possible.

While that may be the case I thought it worth pointing out that the opposite is just as likely and people will curse you rather than help you get the increase.

[jmo21]

Yes, they are the permies left behind when you leave. You have to remember as a contractor unless you were liked by everyone (and even if you were) you will be blamed for every mistake and disaster once you've left.

this happens to permies when they leave as well, not just contractors.

[Support Monkey]

"agent tells you to speak to the client about the rate"!!!!!

this never ceases to amaze me and my agent also told me to ask the client when i wanted to negotiate a rise to which my reply was this

I have a contract through the agency surely any rate negotiation is with the agency, what the agency get out of the client is not my concern its up to the agency to negotiate their rate with the client and me to negotiate my rate with the agent

the thing to say to the agency is this "if i can go to the client and negotiate a rate a directly with them for myself what do i need you for"

[The Agents View]

"agent tells you to speak to the client about the rate"!!!!!

this never ceases to amaze me and my agent also told me to ask the client when i wanted to negotiate a rise to which my reply was this

I have a contract through the agency surely any rate negotiation is with the agency, what the agency get out of the client is not my concern its up to the agency to negotiate their rate with the client and me to negotiate my rate with the agent

the thing to say to the agency is this "if i can go to the client and negotiate a rate a directly with them for myself what do i need you for"

WSMS

Having clawed back our costs and made a bit of profit - at renewal time, THIS is one of the things we get paid for.

[TraceRacing]

WSMS

Having clawed back our costs and made a bit of profit - at renewal time, THIS is one of the things we get paid for.

I'm starting to warm to you... got any PM roles going?