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[TykeMerc]

Well if v8gaz is a PCG representative I'm quite glad that I never joined and don't intend to join in the future unless the situation changes markedly.

Configman since you're clearly aware where you stand on this issue it looks like you're well set up to sort the issue, I hope the rest of the contract and your emigration goes well.

[configman]

Well if v8gaz is a PCG representative I'm quite glad that I never joined and don't intend to join in the future unless the situation changes markedly.

Configman since you're clearly aware where you stand on this issue it looks like you're well set up to sort the issue, I hope the rest of the contract and your emigration goes well.

Thanks, I'm a bit staggerred that v8gaz does not know the history of the PCG yet is a bit vociferous about it. He seems to imply I have no balls unless I name and shame but I have the balls to deal with it in a proper business like manner and don't need outside help. I don't need to go running to mummy (PCG) everytime someone tries to bully me. When an agent didn't pay me a few years ago, I used the High Court to flatten them - on my own so it is not me who doesn't have the balls. Likewise, this current agent will be dealt with very severely if I have any trouble with payment but I don't think that will be an issue.

[malvolio]

I think you both need to realise that the pre-Arctic gung-ho noisy PCG we started with - and that actually acheived very little in real terms - is not the same one that we have now, that is acheiving things way outside its apparent capacity. If you want to throw accusaions of incompetence, irrelevance and self interest around then first realise your target is no longer there to be shot at.

Feel free to criticise the PCG as it is now, of course, although you may just find that a rather harder target.

[configman]

I think you both need to realise that the pre-Arctic gung-ho noisy PCG we started with - and that actually acheived very little in real terms - is not the same one that we have now, that is acheiving things way outside its apparent capacity. If you want to throw accusaions of incompetence, irrelevance and self interest around then first realise your target is no longer there to be shot at.

Feel free to criticise the PCG as it is now, of course, although you may just find that a rather harder target.

I was asked by a PCG member if I was a member of the PCG, I stated a true fact of why I left years ago end of. Are you stating I am not permitted to say why I don't want to be part of the PCG? Your last sentence appears to be a bit of a challenge, put together with another PCG member ( v8gaz ) saying I have no balls you have not done much to sell the benefits of the PCG to me. You appear to challenge if I say anything about the PCG then the PCG will come after me cos they're hard. If anything you have made me anti PCG when I had no feeling about it at all - good selling.

[malvolio]

I was asked by a PCG member if I was a member of the PCG, I stated a true fact of why I left years ago end of. Are you stating I am not permitted to say why I don't want to be part of the PCG? Your last sentence appears to be a bit of a challenge, put together with another PCG member ( v8gaz ) saying I have no balls you have not done much to sell the benefits of the PCG to me. You appear to challenge if I say anything about the PCG then the PCG will come after me cos they're hard. If anything you have made me anti PCG when I had no feeling about it at all - good selling.

Rubbish. All I'm saying is that if you left the PCG some years ago, you may not be in in a position to judge how it works and what is does now. If you are then fine, but if so, why you using the PCG as it was as a measure of what it is now? And if you aren't, then find out first.

As for the benefits, go read the website for the immediate ones (they add up to around 800 quids worth for a £120 joining fee) and the press for the less obvious ones like the OTS, ICTs and Security clearance work.

Or you could just take my word for it as a veteran of these boards...

[v8gaz]

Rubbish - if you name and shame then your fellow contractors will know who to avoid in future. Sorting it yourself is admirable, but keeping information like that to yourself is just downright selfish.

[configman]

Rubbish. All I'm saying is that if you left the PCG some years ago, you may not be in in a position to judge how it works and what is does now. If you are then fine, but if so, why you using the PCG as it was as a measure of what it is now? And if you aren't, then find out first.

As for the benefits, go read the website for the immediate ones (they add up to around 800 quids worth for a £120 joining fee) and the press for the less obvious ones like the OTS, ICTs and Security clearance work.

Or you could just take my word for it as a veteran of these boards...

I did not compare the PCG from what it was to what it is now, only specified why I left when I did. I do not judge the PCG just decide not to be a part of in much the same way as I do not use a certain recruiter who I had to take to court to get paid. I don't allow myself to get burnt twice.

As for the benefits, there are none there for me that I do not already receive elsewhere or have knowledge how to do things myself. That is not a criticism but I have either personal experience or friends in the know. As for being a veteran of these boards I've been here longer than you think but am better disguised than all these sockies

[configman]

Rubbish - if you name and shame then your fellow contractors will know who to avoid in future. Sorting it yourself is admirable, but keeping information like that to yourself is just downright selfish.

Yet another insult from the PCG. You are starting to sound like Bob Crowe brother v8gaz. Does the PCG give all its benefits away freely to non-members? Isn't that selfish using your definition? If you want my information you can pay the equivalent of the PCG joining fee and I will let you have it. Have you not figured it out, if I name and shame it could make my payment process a bit trickier than it needs to be. I thought the PCG was to help protect contractors but you want to put my company at risk of non-payment even though unselfishly through my posting I have shown how to solve it. As it happens I have sorted it in a legal way that ensures I get paid and opted in - thats the professional way.

From what I've seen in this discussion so far the PCG are acting like Bob Crowe cronies and won't let anyone else have their own opinion.

[TykeMerc]

Rubbish - if you name and shame then your fellow contractors will know who to avoid in future. Sorting it yourself is admirable, but keeping information like that to yourself is just downright selfish.

I disagree, it makes sound commercial sense.

If he names and shames and the agent and client get wind of that it would make life difficult plus open him up to legal action or give them ammunition if he needs to engage in action himself.

[Boo]

Can you provide proof of that?
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they can be interpreted to mean "made acquainted with".

Can you provide proof of that ? Or do you always demand a lower standard from yourself than you do from from others ?

The aim is not to make the most tenuous argument in favour of a position which confers some (imaginary imho) advantage to the contractor, but instead to guess what a judge will say when faced with the legislation.

And it is my opinion that a judge asked to decide what "introduction or supply" means in the context of services provided by a Ltd Co. contractor will mean "introduction into the workforce" because this is the closest corollary to "supply of services".

Boo