IT Contractor initial contract

[Stan.goodvibes]

NTL737 make sure you get yourself a white van...


... and affecting a polish accent will help as well

[saptastic]

How about you **** off back to your own country while there are UK contractors unemployed and looking for work?

Just a thought for the troll.

stop beating around the bush and say what you think.

[The Agents View]

How about you **** off back to your own country while there are UK contractors unemployed and looking for work?

Just a thought for the troll.

There was a programme on TV last night, about foreign workers vs. UK workers.

Having watched it, I wouldn't employ an english person for work a polish guy could do better, faster, with more passion, and for half the cost. Honestly - these people think the world owes them a living.

I really don't understand unemployed people - if you're unemployed, go and do a supermarket job, go and do a temp job, go and do SOMETHING. 4 million unemployed, and 5 million open vacancies in the UK - given that the majority of you berate agencies so much, maybe you should set up and show us how it's done??

The bloke in the indian restaurant was slightly different though - he tried, but bless him, the kid was so thick, he thought the guy ordering a chicken Dhansak was talking another language........

[Mailman_1]

How about you **** off back to your own country while there are UK contractors unemployed and looking for work?

Just a thought for the troll.

Boo f**king Hoo. Getting bored of people moaning about "These people coming over here" etc etc. A bit of competition never hurt anyone. If your any good at your job, you shouldnt have any problems.

[northernladuk]

NTL737 make sure you get yourself a white van...
... and affecting a polish accent will help as well

What has polish got to do with anything? When did you ever see a polish developer?

Boo f**king Hoo. Getting bored of people moaning about "These people coming over here" etc etc. A bit of competition never hurt anyone. If your any good at your job, you shouldnt have any problems.

What a load of bulltulip. Someone coming over and doing a job for half the money the market is asking for is hardly competition idiot.

[larson]

How about you **** off back to your own country while there are UK contractors unemployed and looking for work?

Just a thought for the troll.

The guy deserves stick only for posting about the same matter twice, and being lazy on the research front.

The guy does NOT deserve stick for working here, although he appears to be a national of another country, EU or otherwise.

The fact is Bolshie, if you're unemployed, that could surely be interpreted as your own fault. It's hard for people to admit that sometimes, but first of all you chose the contractor route, knowing the limitations, second of all if you had planned ahead properly you would have contact with businesses in your area over the years which means you would be in employment now. Your skills are clearly not in demand.

This is how globalisation works, this is personal business responsibility in action.

There is no denying that it could be seen as unfair that someone will work for less money just to get the chance to work in the UK, but at the end of the day if you had made correct business decisions in the past, and kept your skills, and more importantly your contacts, up to date, you could sit there and criticise this foreign national from the comfort of employment.

You're happy with your cheap pair of shoes and your household accessories that are cheaper than they have ever been, yet don't seem happy that someone who is perhaps much less skilled is able to take less skilled jobs in the contracting game.

It is simply bitterness at the plight of your own situation - which I fully understand, but do not condone, especially given the best people in business do not let their overall view be tainted by bias.

There are clearly loopholes for agencies to bring in foreign workers 'on the cheap', but the criticism could be aimed at the way in which applicants are gained entry based on a points system.

Sometimes the reality is harder to accept.

[SueEllen]

What has polish got to do with anything? When did you ever see a polish developer?

I've worked with one.

The Eastern Europeans I've worked with have all had a great sense of humour. They all seem to have enjoy and enjoyed watching British Comedy programs.

What a load of bulltulip. Someone coming over and doing a job for half the money the market is asking for is hardly competition idiot.

They were very good at ensuring they weren't being taken advantage off unlike some of the Indians I've worked with.

[larson]

What a load of bulltulip. Someone coming over and doing a job for half the money the market is asking for is hardly competition idiot.

You would think it was serious competition, given the way a large section of this board post the odd piece of moaning about it.

If someone who is a professional, EU or otherwise, can get into the country based on skills, and work for a lower rate just to see them through the initial period, that is unfortunately the way the market works.

It's actually a good thing, as it means the contractors higher up the chain really have to up their game, which will not only benefit them in the long run, but raise the overall skill level.

[northernladuk]

You would think it was serious competition, given the way a large section of this board post the odd piece of moaning about it.

If someone who is a professional, EU or otherwise, can get into the country based on skills, and work for a lower rate just to see them through the initial period, that is unfortunately the way the market works.

It's actually a good thing, as it means the contractors higher up the chain really have to up their game, which will not only benefit them in the long run, but raise the overall skill level.

Rubbish There is no initial period for most. It is the standard rate and it never changes. Tech Mahindra is a classic example of this. Their rates are set at these ultra low levels whoever is doing the role and for however long directly replacing a role that last year was being done by other guys at a reasonable market rate.

And I say again, they can up their game as much as they wan't but it makes no difference to the fact the roles they are going for are getting filled by someone that does it for half the money. 'Upping their game' is probably going to make them loko even more qualified and less likely to get a roll that is out for 200 quid a day that was 300+ last year.

At the end of the day I think the diffierence of opinion is base on wether you are directly affected by this. If you are not it and are happy to think you are safe then it is easy to play the 'do gooder' role and welcome with open arms. If you have seen your market drop from 300+ to 200 a day and the only roles out there mention Visa requirements then you are giong to be a little raw about it.

[lje]

What has polish got to do with anything? When did you ever see a polish developer?

We've got a permie Polish developer at client co - very good he is too.

What a load of bulltulip. Someone coming over and doing a job for half the money the market is asking for is hardly competition idiot.

Um - surely that is competition?