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    What's my rate???

    Ok, some of you may remember I posted a couple of weeks ago as I'd taken a 2.5 year holiday and wanted some advice getting back in the game.
    Things are on the cards but taking ages to get moving.

    A trader I worked with at my previous perm role between late 03 to early 07 would like me to come work for him on what looks to be a 6 month contract. He's asking what my rate is.

    My relevant experience is as follows:
    4 years Excel VBA developement.. pretty good.
    2 years Matlab .. good but not expert
    1 year plus little bits here and there of C++: average to bad (I've never developed a big project in it)
    Basic HTML and enough VBscript and ASP (old not .NET) to put together an intranet site with server side scripting, it wasn't pretty but it did the job.
    SQL as I needed it to get data in and out of financial databases: so fairly basic

    plus of course it's 2 years since I did any of this.. so I'm not exactly tulip hot right now.

    The role itself is hard to tell.. I think it'd be developing a web portal for him (the intranet site I made was one he used primarily.. he liked it, hence he wants to hire me again.. better the devil you know I guess) to deliver results of models developed by a quant. I think I'd be expected to code up the quants work too.
    Have chatted to the quant and he likes to work almost exclusively in C++ and python, doubt they'd shell out for a Matlab (plus toolboxes) license.
    Think they might be hiring other contractors too so I might not be working alone.. but I'm not sure on this.

    My other job option is a perm role with a market making firm. It's primarily VBA development (although using C# and other tech as time goes on) and the salary is 35k, plus (according to the agent) a 75%+ bonus. (When I left my perm job I was on 42k plus bonus of between 10 to 25k) I've had 3 interviews and had the thumbs up from HR and my potential boss.. if his boss (who I also interviewed with) gives the thumbs up then the role is mine. Trouble is he is apparently really busy with workload / meetings etc. and is not getting back to the potential boss to either finalise the offer or call it off.

    To be honest I want the perm role the most, at this point in my career I think it's going to offer me more.. the contracting role is going to be too unstructured I think (not sure they know exactly what they want) for me to add much of value to my CV.. plus I like the people I've met at the perm job more.. Of course it's not in the bag yet and may all fall through, so I'd like to get the best rate I can if I take the contract. Otherwise I have diddly squat (oh except a possible role at goldmans but I think I wasn't good enough in the interview).. being out of the game for what's getting towards 3 years now doesn't help you get to interviews so I really need to take anything to get me back into work.

    I've not idea what I'm worth really.. I see VBA contracts advertised for around 500pd.. but of course that's for really experienced people not to mention my 2 (getting on for 3) year gap and the fact that the role probably won't involve much VBA. On the other hand they would be hiring me direct so wouldn't have to pay a cut to an agent so I should be able to get away with asking for a little more. I dunno, I was thinking of offering myself at 300pd or is that too much? Oh, and this is all central London of course

    #2
    Originally posted by tommyc View Post
    Ok, some of you may remember I posted a couple of weeks ago as I'd taken a 2.5 year holiday and wanted some advice getting back in the game.
    Holiday for 2 1/2 years. Was it one of 'Her Majesty's' holidays?
    What happens in General, stays in General.
    You know what they say about assumptions!

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      #3
      Originally posted by tommyc View Post
      ...and the salary is 35k, plus (according to the agent) a 75%+ bonus....
      Good luck if it is possible 75% but take with pinch of salt, if as you say 'according to the agent'...
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        #4
        Go permie for a bit - it will be easier to purge the gap. That should be your main concern at the moment, not maximising your income.
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          #5
          Originally posted by MarillionFan View Post
          Holiday for 2 1/2 years. Was it one of 'Her Majesty's' holidays?
          "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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            #6
            I just started my first contract and I have around 5 years experience and looking around most contractors are a lot more specialised than me but I am probably able to pick things up more quickly. So depends on your personality. I think 2 years experience as a permie would help you find contracts more than now. If you look at the specs for contracts they are ridiculous:
            - 10 years SQL Server Exp
            - 15 years SSIS/SSAS (only been out for 5)
            - 8 years C# Exp
            - Javascript + SSIS + Oracle + Data warehousing + Cubes + SAP + Sage + Java
            great rate on offer: £190/day

            ok I am exaggerating but you get my point. Time to skill up: both at home and at a cushy permie job.

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              #7
              Originally posted by tommyc View Post
              My relevant experience is as follows:
              4 years Excel VBA developement.. pretty good.
              2 years Matlab .. good but not expert
              1 year plus little bits here and there of C++: average to bad (I've never developed a big project in it)
              Basic HTML and enough VBscript and ASP (old not .NET) to put together an intranet site with server side scripting, it wasn't pretty but it did the job.
              SQL as I needed it to get data in and out of financial databases: so fairly basic
              Is VBA a marketable full-time skill? Other than that, Matlab sounds like the only thing anyone would hire you for and that's kind of niche. A bit of HTML, outdated classic ASP and no real C++ experience are hardly what would be looked for in a contractor, unless you're selling yourself short - that's more like what a fresh university grad might start with?

              I'd go for a permie job, any dev job that pays the bills, and milk it for any formal or on-the-job training into more current technology before moving on to something better in a couple of years.
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                #8
                I don't think £300 is asking too much at all. But if you prefer you can make it sound negotiable when you quote it, e.g. "rate's usually about £300".

                You probably feel a bit rusty right now, but after you've been in the hot seat for a week those 2.5 years will feel like no time at all.

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                  #9
                  If you really want the perm job pitch really high with the contract, enough to make it worth giving up on the perm job if by some chance they agree.

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                    #10
                    The permie job would probably suit you better but until you have that offer in writing you can't rely on it. Go for both and see which is offered first. If you get an offer for the contract speak to the permie company and say you need a quick decision.

                    It sounds as if the guy with the contract is really interested in working with you again. Whilst you feel that your holiday has left you rusty he knows the previous quality of your work and is interested in you. I guess what I'm saying is don't price yourself too low. Perhaps say you'd normally ask for £500 per day but seeing as you have been doing other things for a while and you'd love to work with him again you'd be willing to do it for £350 a day. This will leave you in a much better position come renewal time to ask for the £500 a day - after all, your skills will be back up to date then.
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