Agency Commission / Markup

[Sympatico]

Renegotiating rate

Agents do this day in day out. If they are ripping their contractors off to the tune of 35% they will have every single contractor coming back asking for a raise so will be very adept at blinking last.

I'm sure you'll get some money without too much of a fight to be honest but it comes down it if the agent gets a sniff you won't walk he's got you by the short and curled.

NLUK is right, you are playing their game, if they suspect you want to stay, you are wasting your breath...

Unless you have NOT opted-out .... then it can be your game,
e.g. when renewal comes, you can tell them

The client really likes my work and I really want to stay with the client,
but before I renew, I want to compare the rate you will give me
with the rate I can get from the client directly after I take an 8 week break

Note: Client paid 38% more than I received

[NibblyPig]

Unless you have NOT opted-out .... then it can be your game,
e.g. when renewal comes, you can tell them

That'd be nice, any time I've tried to opt in the recruiter has told me they'll call me back and my CV goes in the bin

[VillageContractor]

That'd be nice, any time I've tried to opt in the recruiter has told me they'll call me back and my CV goes in the bin

I've never discussed opt in/out status until I've been offered a role. Put you in a stronger position at that point

[northernladuk]

I've never discussed opt in/out status until I've been offered a role. Put you in a stronger position at that point

Erm... It's kind of irrelevant at that point. You do realise that dont you?

[SueEllen]

Erm... It's kind of irrelevant at that point. You do realise that dont you?

That's the point...

[NibblyPig]

As much as it is, good luck making it work.

I've never pushed it, perhaps when I can afford to decline a role I will politely decline their opt out agreement. It usually comes along with the contract to sign in an e-mail.

I get the feeling that you'll struggle to break an exclusivity arrangement early (12 weeks? i think is the max for opt-in) if you opt-out at a later stage of the game regardless of whether that invalidates it. And I get the feeling (although I don't know for sure) that if I refuse to opt-out once the client is ready for me to sign etc. then the recruiter will kick off and I'll suddenly find the client doesn't want me anymore...

Would very much like to hear if people have simply refused to sign the opt out at that stage, and exactly what fallout occurred as a result. You'd pretty much have to get your contract amended too to say 12 weeks max which would be even harder I bet.

[LondonManc]

As much as it is, good luck making it work.

I've never pushed it, perhaps when I can afford to decline a role I will politely decline their opt out agreement. It usually comes along with the contract to sign in an e-mail.

I get the feeling that you'll struggle to break an exclusivity arrangement early (12 weeks? i think is the max for opt-in) if you opt-out at a later stage of the game regardless of whether that invalidates it. And I get the feeling (although I don't know for sure) that if I refuse to opt-out once the client is ready for me to sign etc. then the recruiter will kick off and I'll suddenly find the client doesn't want me anymore...

Would very much like to hear if people have simply refused to sign the opt out at that stage, and exactly what fallout occurred as a result. You'd pretty much have to get your contract amended too to say 12 weeks max which would be even harder I bet.

One view is that is too late as you've already been introduced to the client.

[SueEllen]

One view is that is too late as you've already been introduced to the client.

The agent's view is that it is "introduction or supply" and you haven't been supplied.

To be fair just concentrate on getting a decent B2B contract which makes sense then worry about the opt-out.

[LondonManc]

The agent's view is that it is "introduction or supply" and you haven't been supplied.

To be fair just concentrate on getting a decent B2B contract which makes sense then worry about the opt-out.

The courts might go with the "introduction or supply" view though.

[TheFaQQer]

The agent's view is that it is "introduction or supply" and you haven't been supplied.

To be fair just concentrate on getting a decent B2B contract which makes sense then worry about the opt-out.

Agents will also argue what "introduction" means - is it "hello, we've been introduced" or "you have been introduced into the workforce".

Without a test case, it's all open to interpretation.