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Thoughts on the Value of Certifications for Contractors...

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    Thoughts on the Value of Certifications for Contractors...

    I've read a lot about the issue of acquiring certification in things like .NET, Java etc. and I wanted to gather thoughts from people on this forum.

    Proponents suggest that certification can provide a way of demonstrating a minimum amount of knowledge in a given technology. There appear to be three situations where it helps:
    1. You're a novice developer and you want to use it to compensate for a work record you haven't yet established.
    2. You're an experienced developer and you want something to help motivate you to learn more about a technology you may already be using.
    3. You're trying to demonstrate a minimum technical competence in a given technology for a recruiter or client who doesn't know much about the technology.

    There are a lot of people who are very skeptical about certifications. They point out that the whole process often doesn't reflect 'real world' learning. They almost invariably comment that certifications mean little compared with past work experience.

    But speaking as an experienced developer I've observed some troubles with interviews. Beginning with past experience, if you work in a corporate setting, you can't talk much about your past work anyway so there's little way interviewers can figure out your technical competence or your relative contribution. If we talk about references, there are laws that help limit what they can say and few people are going to supply references that don't provide a rosy picture. Sometimes the interviewers have favourite pet questions they think will help identify the technical competence of another developer. Yet the lack of a standard set of community pet questions makes it difficult to show whether a typical programmer should know or not know something. If we talk about coding tests, they are usually done under conditions that don't match the work place. In my own experience, the tests have to be short enough to do in about an hour but complex enough to provide a variety of solutions that could differentiate candidates. It seems the big favourite is to really focus on efficiency - which in many cases is not the most important aspect of coding large-scale applications. Finally we get to contributions to open source projects... I think I overestimated the value of my own O.S. efforts in an interview. The clients simply rolled on with an interview style that assumed I was a black box programmer. I did average on their other interview aspects and later found out they didn't even look at the project pages, let alone documentation or code. Anyway enough of my observations, I'd like to hear yours.

    You're an interesting group because you're all contractors. Have you found that certification has helped you in any of the three situations I've outlined above? Or have you felt the costs outweigh the benefits?

    #2
    Certifications are useful in getting you past the pimps into an interview, that's about it in my experience. But all clients, especially now, want demonstrable experience you can talk about.

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      #3
      Yep - certs are simply a means to get you in front of the client.
      "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
      - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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        #4
        Originally posted by cojak View Post
        Yep - certs are simply a means to get you in front of the client.
        Agreed, I view certificates as door openers and nothing else.

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          #5
          Just a tick in the box for the wish list of the client, it all helps..
          The cycle of life: born > learn > work > learn > dead.

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            #6
            I cannot think of any time where someone has said "we noticed your certifications and.." They have not done any harm I am sure of that but I cannot give any evidence that they have helped get a job or put me infront of the queue.

            Although I did learn tulip loads from doing my certifications esp the Java Enterprise Architect which took me 3 years and would never have gotten this far in my career without the knowledge gained from the study involved.

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              #7
              Certs are always good. Just to get past pimps.

              I need mine otherwise I could go to prison if I let them expire :-(

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                #8
                In my area (Siebel), clients sometimes ask for them. Then they get to decide how much they really want them: most decide that it was "nice to have" compared to experience.

                A few clients insist on them. IMHO they are always failing to optimise their choice of resources by doing this, but it's their money.

                I don't have them because I don't see the payoff: the cost for even the basic cert would be 8k plus 3 weeks lost income (just to learn what I already know and have proven experience in). I don't see the return on that investment. I have offered to do the cert if a prospective client will pay course fees + my billing: when it comes to their money, they have all agreed with my assessment!

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                  #9
                  And that should be the ultimate question - will I see a return on my investment?

                  I took my ISO/IEC 20000 Consultant and Auditor exams and have got precisely 0 contracts off the back of them.

                  Just hoping this will pick up as the ITIL stuff did 5 years ago...
                  "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
                  - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                    #10
                    Some certs are better than others.

                    Sun Certified Java Programmer is quite good, though bits of it expect you to be a human compiler (why?). Very useful for dealing with anal techie interviewers who try and trip you up (eg "what does 'finalize' mean?"). Expensive now at £300, so don't bother with future upgrades.

                    Sun Certified Java Web Developer is mostly a complete load of bollocks that requires you to memorise certain XML schemas and learn pointless things like taglibs. Only thing this is good for is helping you really understand Servlet life cycle. Avoid unless you're a permie and it's free and you can study during office hours.

                    Sun Certified Java Business Component Developer. Utterly pointless waste of time studying the now extinct EJBs. Only study if you're in prison and you need to pass it to get out.
                    Cats are evil.

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