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    #31
    If they dream up accusations then I would agree fight it determinedly. Make it clear you don't accept it. It is one thing to be terminated, but slander is in my opinion one step too far. It may be even be worth finding a senior manager perhaps in HR just to make your point clear. Be "nice", i.e. say you understand that contracts get terminated, but libellous accusations will be contested.
    I'm alright Jack

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      #32
      Doddy,

      The legislation you need to get a copy of the email is the Data Protection Act.

      Section 7, Paragraph 1 to be precise - Subject rights of data access.

      The agent is allowed to charge a maximum of £10 admin fee & can take up to 40 days to send you the information you request.

      They are allowed to strike out 3rd party names etc but should leave most stuff in place. Once you have the data, you can then make your decisions, but not disclosing emails etc is a pile of old crap!

      Here is the template letter that I use:-
      Dear <name>

      Please send me the information which I am entitled to under section 7(1) of the Data Protection Act 1998.

      I am specifically interested in information relating to my employment via <company name> & yourselves at <site>, which commenced on <date>.

      I am particularly interested in internal & external communications relating to my period with this client, including a copy of the CV & other career information which you shared with your client, however the disclosure should also include any other written or electronic data held within your organisation, as you will be aware this includes handwritten notes, emails (both internal & external) & memos.

      Please also advise me of the logic involved in any automated decisions taken by you about me pursuant to section 7(1) (d) of the Data Protection Act 1998.

      If you need further information from me, please let me know as soon as possible.

      If you do not normally handle these requests for your organisation, please pass this letter to your Data Protection Officer or another appropriate officer.

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        #33
        It's a difficult one, because on the one hand the next potential client / agency might want a reference from the Last Contract.

        It may be prudent to approach the client direct and say that you're worried about what you agent has told you and wanted to clarify the clients position with regards to the termination of your contract.

        It may be that at this point the client will want to avoid any potential problems and give you a reference if you keep quiet.

        As others have said, leave the agent alone - my guess is stirring it up with them will not do you any good for future prospects.

        How long were you at the gig ?
        Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon

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          #34
          Originally posted by Bluebird View Post
          It's a difficult one, because on the one hand the next potential client / agency might want a reference from the Last Contract.
          That's not a problem because you need only say to your next client that "my previous client does not give references". Which is plausible because it is true in a small but sizeable proportion of cases.

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            #35
            Originally posted by thunderlizard View Post
            I always point out to my customers early on in the process that if they no longer require my services, they don't need to give a reason (when I switched from Hovis to Kingsmill, I don't recall putting anything in writing). It saves them having to invent one.
            I think that's exactly the point. If they want to get rid of you, but have a "bad" reason for it, then if you make it hard for them, they'll invent a good reason. Even if it's false, it can stick. Rather leave with no reason given.

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              #36
              Again, thanks for the advice

              I have now seen what I am told is an unabridged version of the email sent to my agent. I do know though, from piecing together conversations from last week, that this must be one of a series of emails exchanged between the client and agent. I will be asking for the lot via an official request. Thanks for the letter body-text by the way.

              I don't want to be to specific with the details just in case it helps anyone reading this to screw me over any further but, in answer to the questions, I was there a few months. There is not, thank god, any allegation of inappropriate behaviour (to women). The wording is around the way I spoke to one of the temps - again something I disagree with. Consider though, that the agent told me that the email in their possession alleged 'inappropriate behaviour to women', without providing any clarification. The agent has a warped take on life don't you think? Again, I thought I had established some good working relationships. No-one spoke to me during the contract period about any aspect of my behaviour.

              Wish me luck.

              KD

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                #37
                Originally posted by KentPhilip View Post
                That's not a problem because you need only say to your next client that "my previous client does not give references". Which is plausible because it is true in a small but sizeable proportion of cases.
                Contractors who give references to agents are mugs. You're giving them leads, not refs. Clients, never need references for contractors so it does not matter. Even if they did you just give them the name of a mate who can back you up.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by TheVoice View Post
                  Doddy,

                  The legislation you need to get a copy of the email is the Data Protection Act.

                  Section 7, Paragraph 1 to be precise - Subject rights of data access.

                  The agent is allowed to charge a maximum of £10 admin fee & can take up to 40 days to send you the information you request.

                  They are allowed to strike out 3rd party names etc but should leave most stuff in place. Once you have the data, you can then make your decisions, but not disclosing emails etc is a pile of old crap!
                  Just a word of warning. You may be fighting a long battle which you are likely to lose if you don't have a few tactics up your sleeve.

                  Lots of companies don't respond to Data Protection Act requests. This means that you have to complain to the Information Commissioner. However to complain to the Information Commissioner you need to send your original request by recorded delivery.

                  I would also include the admin fee of £10 in the letter and state you have done this plus the cheque number to speed things up otherwise you can add another 2-6 weeks on to your request.

                  If the company is large they will be devious enough to give you enough information to get rid of your request once you have complained to the Information Commissioner but not all the information, as they will claim not to have a record of it. The onus is on you to prove that they have this written record therefore if you have no written records I suggest you do what others have suggested here and record telephone conversations before you send off your request to them. If you have just send your request off then ring them on Tuesday.

                  So if they claim to have an email from the client but refuse to produce a record of it under such a request just take the agency to court for non-payment of your notice period rather than spend time chasing up the client.

                  Courts are not allowed to hear the recordings except to hear the tone of the conversations of such taped conversations but you are allowed to transcribe them for the judge and defendant to read. This is because it's illegal to tape people with out their knowledge. If the defendant claims the transcription is a lie then you just present a copies of the tape of your recording to both the court and defendant.

                  Should add that Data Subject Access Requests are a good way of ensuring companies put the correct information on your credit file.
                  "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Turion View Post
                    Contractors who give references to agents are mugs. You're giving them leads, not refs. Clients, never need references for contractors so it does not matter. Even if they did you just give them the name of a mate who can back you up.
                    Surely not?

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Ken Dodd View Post
                      Apologies for the delay, but I have been without internet....

                      Many thanks for the advice in the earlier replies. I have made an appointment to see a solicitor to get their advice - I certainly think I need it.

                      I knew that what I posted would raise some further questions regarding 'what really happened' etc but what I posted is all I knew and all I still know. The words 'behaviour to women' came from the agent in a phone call - they were reading selected extracts from the email - and she wouldn't elaborate. I genuinely have no idea what this is all about, but I am sure of some things: The agent was feeding me one line about notice periods etc whilst having conversations with the client about how to avoid it.
                      The agent has worked with the client to terminate the contract .
                      I have been shafted.

                      The product I was delivering was not working out as planned. I wasn't able to deliver but there was not the buy-in from other senior permie staff who refused to provide input into development, and I was expected to sort that out. It has been a learning experience certainly.
                      A thing to note, for all those claiming there is 'no smoke without fire' is that during the contract, I did not have any conversations (formal or informal) or email exchanges about my behaviour, nor was there any other mention at any time. Nor has there ever been on any other contract to be honest, which is why I am so annoyed.



                      I've been there myself and with experience through hindsight my advice is to move on. You have a real danger of running up huge legal fees with no gain. Everybody will 'foul up' or be victimised at some stage and as a contractor you cannot expect to always fit in. Accept it, just look for a new contract and in a few months you will have wondered what all the fuss was about.

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