Do I need to give in NOTICE when I have not signed any extension

[northernladuk]

Yes, you are right. There are two sides here. Ethical and Legal.

On ethical front , yes a last minute change will not go down very well. However to minimise the damage I offered for any support needed to which i was completely rebuked by the manager. I made a courtesy call to my co-workers and other managers to help them understand my situations.

Which is nice of you but maybe a little late. Better to deal with earlier. Your terminology of manager and co-works shows another, possible, basic misunderstanding of contracting around who your customer and your relation to them. As a contractor supplying a service they are not your managers or co-workers. It's your client and customers. A pedantic point but it's one you've got to get right if you want to be a good contractor.

I am not sure if I am right on the legal front.

You weren't but there is plenty of good clear advice given that will have put you on the right track.

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

I did exactly the same. As a matter of courtesy, I did mention that I am reachable for any support required. However, I did not get any written communication from them.

That seems reasonable, especially if the offer was unpaid (for a limited duration).

You need to be chasing things with the agency as they are who you are contracted with.

In all honesty, the client should be asking the agency why they have allowed them to be left in the lurch. It was the agency's duty to arrange an extension with you and provide paperwork in good time. The client should have been working on the basis that you would be leaving at the end of the contract until they saw a signed extension saying otherwise.

This is as much a failure of the agency to manage their client's expectations IMO.

[Withorwithout]

Which is nice of you but maybe a little late. Better to deal with earlier. Your terminology of manager and co-works shows another, possible, basic misunderstanding of contracting around who your customer and your relation to them. As a contractor supplying a service they are not your managers or co-workers. It's your client and customers. A pedantic point but it's one you've got to get right if you want to be a good contractor.


You weren't but there is plenty of good clear advice given that will have put you on the right track.

Point taken on the terminology, it is in this post that have used the word 'manager' and 'co-worker' but not at work. Thanks for cautioning me again.

What is the reason for not being legally right?

[northernladuk]

What is the reason for not being legally right?

Sorry. Maybe I've gotten mixed up here. When you said legally right I thought you meant the confusion you had about giving notice when a contract is naturally expiring.

Did I miss something?

but not at work

Not at clients site you mean

[Withorwithout]

That seems reasonable, especially if the offer was unpaid (for a limited duration).

You need to be chasing things with the agency as they are who you are contracted with.

In all honesty, the client should be asking the agency why they have allowed them to be left in the lurch. It was the agency's duty to arrange an extension with you and provide paperwork in good time. The client should have been working on the basis that you would be leaving at the end of the contract until they saw a signed extension saying otherwise.

This is as much a failure of the agency to manage their client's expectations IMO.

Yes the offer was to support irrespective.

Well, to be honest the agency has always been chasing up , it is the client company which handles this in last minute of the last day. They have done this repeatedly with previous extension as well where they always present an extension document in the very last minute.

[Withorwithout]

Sorry. Maybe I've gotten mixed up here. When you said legally right I thought you meant the confusion you had about giving notice when a contract is naturally expiring.

Did I miss something?



Not at clients site you mean

Good catch again, 'work' :'client'.

Wanted to be sure if i was legally right by not giving any notice when the contract has a natural end and is the client legally right to stop my last two weeks payment?

[Withorwithout]

That seems reasonable, especially if the offer was unpaid (for a limited duration).

You need to be chasing things with the agency as they are who you are contracted with.

In all honesty, the client should be asking the agency why they have allowed them to be left in the lurch. It was the agency's duty to arrange an extension with you and provide paperwork in good time. The client should have been working on the basis that you would be leaving at the end of the contract until they saw a signed extension saying otherwise.

This is as much a failure of the agency to manage their client's expectations IMO.

The agency is chasing the client to approve the timesheet ; but no response from client yet.

[northernladuk]

Good catch again, 'work' :'client'.

I'm kinda playing with you while making a pedantic point so don't take me too serisouly

Wanted to be sure if i was legally right by not giving any notice when the contract has a natural end and is the client legally right to stop my last two weeks payment?

Oh right sorry. This has already been covered in the thread but...
You've completed the contract and it ends on the date you've all signed up for. Everything is absolutely correct and as per that very same contract you must be paid for work done.

Another more serious point on understanding contract appears here though. The client is not stopping your payment. He is stopping the agents payment. In turn the agent isn't paying you. If you were Opted in the agent has to pay you no timesheet or anything. But that's maybe making things more complex.

There is no legal reason you won't be paid. You are entering business terrioty. You've pissed off the client by not understanding the situation properly so in turn he's pissing about with payments and time sheets. It's very common and why professional courtesy and negotiation far out trumps contracts.

Keep pestering the agent, as that is the only person you have any commercial relationship with. They haven't been paid either so are technically on your side.

Keep mailing the agency pointing out you've worked and expect pay. They will deal with it and I can't see any reason whatsoever you won't get your money. Its just people playing silly buggers.

That help?

If the money doesn't appear sometime in the near future we've got a ton of advice what to do. Keep us informed.

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

The agency is chasing the client to approve the timesheet ; but no response from client yet.

Next question...are you opted out?

[Withorwithout]

Next question...are you opted out?

Yes