Originally posted by makscorp
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Sorry, but that's a crock. If they want people to stay, all they need to do is offer decent rates and longer contracts. It sounds like they are in the mood for cutting rates, in which case everyone will want to feck off. Your clients HR department is clearly staffed by retards. Which is nothing new, btw, most HR depts are.
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Cost me and one of my clients (we pitched in together) about £13k a couple of years ago. Sounds a lot, but both the client and MyCo were better off in the long run afterwards.Originally posted by makscorpComment
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A pretty reliable rule of thumb is hourly rate x 100 equals permie annual salary, assuming usual benefits. You certainly shouldn't go for less.
As for stability - well, bollocks. Tell them you'll take a two year contract with no notice period on your side...
Blog? What blog...?
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I'm definitely staying in contracting if the equivalent permie salary is no more than a couple of grand a year...don't the "jobseekers" get more than that?Originally posted by malvolio
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As Mordoc pointed out , these are crap reasons to change staff over from contract to permie.Originally posted by makscorp
Employee's can (and do) leave just as easily as contractors, plus it can be a rather expensive pain in the butt for the client to get rid of the permie when they no longer want/need them, plus other associated costs like paid holidays, sick leave, maternity leave, pension payments....
If rates/work environment are good enough the client can keep a contractor pretty much forever if they so desire, if your client is experiencing a high turnover then they should be looking at why
To me the only good reason for a company to replace contractors with permies is if they foresee the role being "permanent", aka they are going to require someone for at least the next 5 to 7 years plus for that particular role otherwise they are best off with contractors
As to the question of should you take up the permie position, that would totally depend on you, no one can really answer that for youComment
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Oops. I kn-w I shou---'t ha-- boug-- N---man -ollier's old -C...Originally posted by chicaneI'm definitely staying in contracting if the equivalent permie salary is no more than a couple of grand a year...don't the "jobseekers" get more than that?
I did of course mean hourly x 1000...Blog? What blog...?Comment
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So are you saying that a 25/hour rate is roughly equivalent in real terms to a 25k perm salary? I reckon could walk into a 25k salary perm role tomorrow (having been on that amount 4 years ago following the Big Crash), whereas getting 25/hour out of the agencies for the same job nowadays is like getting blood out of a stone (round here at least).Comment
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I agree with Chicane. I think most contractors can walk into a £25k job, but getting £25 an hour is difficult. The client is thinking along the lines of £30k perm is cheaper than £25 an hour contractor, therefore lets get perms in.....Comment
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It's difficult to get 25/hour?? Where are you guys based and what type of work do you do?Originally posted by makscorp
I would think it’s pretty easy to get that down in the south east in any type of development role?Comment
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Yes, I think my cat might stand a chance of getting £25-30/hour in the SE. Up here in Leeds, agents tend to (politely) choke on their coffee when you suggest that kind of rate for development roles, unless you're the elusive guy with 3 years ASP.NET 2.0, Biztalk and Sharepoint. On a couple of recent occasions, agents I've spoken to have been quite happy to admit that their clients could only afford £15/hour.
I do have a couple of direct clients locally who are quite happy to pay 30-35/hour though, so maybe it's just greedy agents (surely not... )
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