Eastern European consultants not good enough for the UK

[SussexSeagull]

The Equality Act plus Health and Safety legislation do apply to us. However like with employees good luck in trying to prove your case against a larger business.....

Exactly.

[GB9]

...ah..you mean subtle nuances and such…(like for example confusing “ironic” with “paradoxical”?)

;-)

Ermmmm. .....no. The situation was definitely ironic!

[logozz]

Ermmmm. .....no. The situation was definitely ironic!

There is nothing “ironic” about the situation you describe.

A closer example of “situational irony” would be:

"To ascertain that the documentation would be in correct English, the Dutch company hired a higher paid, native Brit. Ironically, it turned out to be riddled with common mistakes that the British do when it comes to their own language”.

Key here is that there needs to be an expectation of a certain outcome, that then (unexpectedly) turns out to something quite different – presenting the opportunity for sarcasm...

Or are you suggesting that it is generally surprising that a non-British person's English is worse? I don't think the client expected that the (English) language produced would be great because the person was not a native Brit (or because he was cheap)? I don't think the fact that they "paid peanuts and got monkeys" changes whether it is ironic or not...

[TNA57]

There is nothing “ironic” about the situation you describe.

A closer example of “situational irony” would be:

"To ascertain that the documentation would be in correct English, the Dutch company hired a higher paid, native Brit. Ironically, it turned out to be riddled with common mistakes that the British do when it comes to their own language”.

Key here is that there needs to be an expectation of a certain outcome, that then (unexpectedly) turns out to something quite different – presenting the opportunity for sarcasm...

Or are you suggesting that it is generally surprising that a non-British person's English is worse? I don't think the client expected that the (English) language produced would be great because the person was not a native Brit (or because he was cheap)? I don't think the fact that they "paid peanuts and got monkeys" changes whether it is ironic or not...

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...oh well what hope is there for them(EE nationals) when even some native English speakers can't write down their sentences correctly ( I have come across quite a number) thereby confusing the non-native speakers.. all comes down to bias in my opinion - most definitely illegal from my perspective and that of the law! They prob should have made an effort to come up with a non-biased reason for not having him.

[MrMarkyMark]

+1
...oh well what hope is there for them(EE nationals) when even some native English speakers can't write down their sentences correctly ( I have come across quite a number) thereby confusing the non-native speakers.. all comes down to bias in my opinion - most definitely illegal from my perspective and that of the law! They prob should have made an effort to come up with a non-biased reason for not having him.

And............................................... .......Employment laws all over the world are broken every day of the week

[SueEllen]

all comes down to bias in my opinion - most definitely illegal from my perspective and that of the law! They prob should have made an effort to come up with a non-biased reason for not having him.

No where in the entire scenario was it ever explained why the client didn't want the Polish guy.

Posters like myself came up with reasons and examples why European nationals including Brits are discriminated against.

Clients and employers, unless they are extremely stupid, never say why they have an issue to ensure you cannot take them to court.

[Flashman]

You are quite right. this what I am thinking. I think it is the hiring department being too lazy

The clients London based? "Multicultural" & "Diverse" team?

In my experience quite a few Eastern Europeans have ermm forthright and some would say old fashioned views on religion / sexual orientation. Possibly the client had a bad previous experience .

[MrMarkyMark]

The clients London based? "Multicultural" & "Diverse" team?

In my experience quite a few Eastern Europeans have ermm forthright and some would say old fashioned views on religion / sexual orientation. Possibly the client had a bad previous experience .

Agreed, my gay friend had an absolutely frightful time dealing coke with a "team" of Slovaks .

Oh.............................shiz, wrong forum

[SueEllen]

The clients London based? "Multicultural" & "Diverse" team?

In my experience quite a few Eastern Europeans have ermm forthright and some would say old fashioned views on religion / sexual orientation. Possibly the client had a bad previous experience .

I've found they are as bigoted as British people.

[m0n1k3r]

It is about the interface with the client nothing to do with market sector, location or travel.

The client is making a sweeping claim that unless they have worked in the Uk with UK clients they would not be suitable no matter what module of ERP.

UK business culture is quite different from that in, say, France, Germany and the Netherlands, and even more different from that in most of Eastern Europe. I can understand that they don't want to risk a relationship with a client by sending somebody who is not used to UK business culture to work alone for a client.

If it is about working as part of a supplier team, then it is different as there should be an engagement lead who takes care of most of the bumps.