FYI: Manchester Client insisting on IR35 caught contract terms

[northernladuk]

For IR35 caught contracts, my starting price is about 30% more. If there is travel involved, then it's 50% more than the outside rate.

Which will never happen.

[Old Greg]

Which will never happen.

It's useful to educate clients.

[missinggreenfields]

Which will never happen.

For some of us, it will

But nearly all my IR35 caught income goes into my pension pot anyway.

[FK1]

Bum on Seat - permietractors who blindly sign contracts, aren't aware/bothered about IR35 other than asking the agent if the contract's IR35 friendly and accepting the answer, don't know about the new T&S stuff.

I've got the impression 90% of all contractors fall into that definition.
Almost every second contract I had to ask an agency to amend contract terms to a reasonable standard.
Now I ask for their contract templates prior any permission from me.
Both upper-tier (client-agency) and lower-tier (contractor-agency) contract templates.

[Antman]

I've got the impression 90% of all contractors fall into that definition.
Almost every second contract I had to ask an agency to amend contract terms to a reasonable standard.
Now I ask for their contract templates prior any permission from me.
Both upper-tier (client-agency) and lower-tier (contractor-agency) contract templates.

Can't see an agency ever giving you the upper-tier contract. The business model is based on you not knowing what they charge you out at.

[northernladuk]

Can't see an agency ever giving you the upper-tier contract. The business model is based on you not knowing what they charge you out at.

The contract doesn't necessarily and I'll bet in most cases doesn't include the rate. But he'll rarely get it as the contract between client and agent has nothing to do with the contractor, even if he argues it could screw his IR35 case up. He can ask though.

[SueEllen]

Can't see an agency ever giving you the upper-tier contract. The business model is based on you not knowing what they charge you out at.

A contract template is not the same as the final agreed contract.

[Antman]

A contract template is not the same as the final agreed contract.

Good point.

I was coming more from NLUK's angle that it's not your business, even if it is just a template. But I've also never asked though either.

[SueEllen]

Good point.

I was coming more from NLUK's angle that it's not your business, even if it is just a template. But I've also never asked though either.

I've seen a couple of upper contract templates and parts of two upper contracts. I didn't specifically go out of my way to see them.

[LondonManc]

I've learned the hard way that the gig isn't yours until your IR35-friendly contract is signed and you're sat at your allocated desk on client site. Get the contract checked and keep on the market until it's signed and you are at your start date.