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Originally posted by CoolCat View Post
not to mention a lot of the people from the outsourcers and consultancies are on work visas and get other tax perks like 1st 12 months in the UK free of both employers and employees national insurance. again rules written by the consultancies to help them tilt the playing field when in competition with independents.
The double whammy here is when you get into bed with any of the big five agencies the writing is on the wall, you pay through the nose, managing them is a pain in the back side and trying to get away from them is even worse, it's like being put on a morphine drip, they have their own internal politics and pay structures to navigate layered on top of the clients it's usually a mess.
I've always found the agency model flawed for eCommerce .Comment
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Originally posted by pictavia View PostYes, we do need a flexible workforce and the IR35 reforms are seriously flawed but a legal framework must be in place at some point to prevent disguised employment. There has to be a distinction between a contractor paid a daily rate picking up user stories from an agile board and another paid on deliverables wfh on a distinct piece of development. It isn't all that unusual for someone to leave a permanent job and work as a contractor for years at the same business, I don't think these people should be out of work, I do think they should be perm.
My wife has worked in the same job for 20 years, she has holiday pay, (30 days), no breaks, 100% pension contribution on 10% of salary, sick pay, maternity pay, training courses, 9-5 with an hour for lunch, total flexibility, career path all mapped out.
Seriously why do people feel the need to pick and choice bits of information which suites their argument, you need to look at the whole picture.
This is a rule for billionaires, not for any of us on this forum.Comment
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Originally posted by Shackattack View PostWhen you say contractors working in the same job for years what do you mean, it's very very rare. 10 years of contracting and I've had 2 contracts over 1 year and never over 2. Multiple contracts where employees want a pound of flesh, months without work, long hours. No such thing as 9 to 6 you answer email and work all hours.
My wife has worked in the same job for 20 years, she has holiday pay, (30 days), no breaks, 100% pension contribution on 10% of salary, sick pay, maternity pay, training courses, 9-5 with an hour for lunch, total flexibility, career path all mapped out.
Seriously why do people feel the need to pick and choice bits of information which suites their argument, you need to look at the whole picture.
This is a rule for billionaires, not for any of us on this forum.Comment
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Originally posted by Shackattack View PostWhen you say contractors working in the same job for years what do you mean, it's very very rare. 10 years of contracting and I've had 2 contracts over 1 year and never over 2. Multiple contracts where employees want a pound of flesh, months without work, long hours. No such thing as 9 to 6 you answer email and work all hours.
My wife has worked in the same job for 20 years, she has holiday pay, (30 days), no breaks, 100% pension contribution on 10% of salary, sick pay, maternity pay, training courses, 9-5 with an hour for lunch, total flexibility, career path all mapped out.
Seriously why do people feel the need to pick and choice bits of information which suites their argument, you need to look at the whole picture.
This is a rule for billionaires, not for any of us on this forum.
Across FS clients in London (for some reason a black horse springs to mind, cough cough) you would have found many contractors who had done 5+ years.
They get hired for a project for a year or so, then move to another one. There are always hundreds of change projects in flight. In fact 7, 8 years was not uncommon.
Usually fire fighting type projects where the business has gone to hell in a hand basket.
This is a reason why IR35 was brought in.
These people are getting switched to FTC nowComment
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Originally posted by caffeine man View PostIn my experience long IT contracts are not that rare. Done a 4.5 year one myself. Met another contractor on a 6 year one. Its not been common for me recently, I left the 4.5 year in 2012, and not been that lucky since.Comment
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Originally posted by caffeine man View PostIn my experience long IT contracts are not that rare. Done a 4.5 year one myself. Met another contractor on a 6 year one. Its not been common for me recently, I left the 4.5 year in 2012, and not been that lucky since.Comment
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Originally posted by hungry_hog View PostIt's not rare (or wasn't until this year).
Across FS clients in London (for some reason a black horse springs to mind, cough cough) you would have found many contractors who had done 5+ years.
They get hired for a project for a year or so, then move to another one. There are always hundreds of change projects in flight. In fact 7, 8 years was not uncommon.
Usually fire fighting type projects where the business has gone to hell in a hand basket.
This is a reason why IR35 was brought in.
These people are getting switched to FTC now
If you want to be a contractor do it there is nothing stopping you, you'll never be rich but it is empowering and why shouldn't life be like that? Stop being scared and stop hiding behind your excuses. If you want to point the finger point it in the right place.Comment
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Absolute tosh, i worked for 2 off the big 5 in canary wharf, a tiny minority had 6-7 year contracts and it was the talk of contractors. in Telecoms when we launched EE there was 1 on one of the biggest IT projects this decade a developer who built the platform. Facts please not bluff.Last edited by Shackattack; 21 June 2020, 12:00.Comment
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