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Originally posted by PlanB View PostAgile but most especially Scrum are terrible, at least in the way it his been adopted by most of industry. It is a form a micro management that leads to some very bad behaviours. This is about a 20 min read but a very good critique of it's failings.
Why “Agile” and especially Scrum are terrible – Michael O. Church
The two should be used together in my opinion and when you do use them both together (when it suits what you are trying to do), and cherry what each is best at, lot of the issues correctly highlighted in that link go away. Particularly the problem of their being no end.Last edited by dx4100; 12 February 2020, 13:26.Comment
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Originally posted by PlanB View PostAgile but most especially Scrum are terrible, at least in the way it his been adopted by most of industry. It is a form a micro management that leads to some very bad behaviours. This is about a 20 min read but a very good critique of it's failings.
https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com...-are-terrible/
Agile and scrum are paying my mortgage.Comment
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Originally posted by PCTNN View PostI LOVE agile and scrum. There is so much time wasted with all those mostly useless meetings (sprint planning, daily stand ups, sprint review, and so on) that simple projects go on and on and on and we all know that delays = contract extensions.
Agile and scrum are paying my mortgage.We got the Oystons out like we said we wouldComment
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Originally posted by GhostofTarbera View PostAnd programmers see PM as the guy who signs the timesheets and has no other value
That's by far the biggest flaw in Scrum - it is painting by numbers. Too many people only see the numbers without being able to understand the picture."Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by PlanB View PostAgile but most especially Scrum are terrible, at least in the way it his been adopted by most of industry. It is a form a micro management that leads to some very bad behaviours. This is about a 20 min read but a very good critique of it's failings.
https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com...-are-terrible/
Scrum most certainly should not introduce micro-management - it has self-managing teams at its core.Comment
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Originally posted by PCTNN View PostI LOVE agile and scrum. There is so much time wasted with all those mostly useless meetings (sprint planning, daily stand ups, sprint review, and so on) that simple projects go on and on and on and we all know that delays = contract extensions.
Agile and scrum are paying my mortgage.
For it's ability to turn a 3 month project into a year long one it can not be beaten, especially in the public sector. Once GDS comes into play and you need about 15 people to get a 5 page app out the door then the padding becomes ludicrous.
I really should shut up, it hasn't done my bank balance any harm either.Comment
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Originally posted by Paralytic View PostI've not read the article yet (about to) but if the implementation of agile has resulted in micro-management, then that's not Scrum, and any critique taking place is not a critique of the framework's failings, but a critique of of the implementation of the framework.
Scrum most certainly should not introduce micro-management - it has self-managing teams at its core.
Perhaps like communism it hasn't been done properly yet. I've not seen an example so far where the scrum master has got the team self managed and buggered off. It's just a lot of low level micro management to make sure there is no slacking off.
Any long term technical vision or thought about architecture goes out the window as the next sprints set of features need implemented.Last edited by PlanB; 12 February 2020, 14:31.Comment
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Maybe we should create an Agile thread for this then :P...but I am sure there is already one...Comment
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Originally posted by PlanB View PostPerhaps like communism it hasn't been done properly yet. I've not seen an example so far where the scrum master has got the team self managed and buggered off. It's just a lot of low level micro management to make sure there is no slacking off.
Originally posted by PlanB View PostAny long term technical vision or thought about architecture goes out the window as the next sprints set of features need implemented.
Originally posted by AddingValueMaybe we should create an Agile thread for this then :P...but I am sure there is already one...Comment
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