Ajilon - "Employed Consultant"

[bert&ernie]

Ecm

Cheers for the advice and info guys.

For me its about balancing the risk/reward. If Ajilon take on extra risk by giving me permanent status, then its only fair that they make a bigger margin on the deal. However, what I'm trying to gauge is just how much risk they are taking what level of security they actually offer me. This will help me decide whether I tell them where to go or what salary I need to close the deal.

I'm currently permie, but am looking around for either permanent or contract roles, so ECM my well be a good compromise between the two. I discussed this with a few contractors last night and while most don't much like it, it does seem to be creeping in as the preferred model with some agents and clients. Having looked at it quite closely, it does seem to tip the balance in favour of the client and agent, so I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a lot more prevalent.

[VectraMan]

I work with a contractor who is on a similar scheme from the sound of it, but in her case it was because she's from one of those foreign countries and her "employer" found her work in the UK and got her started with somewhere to live etc. I think she regrets it, as I'm sure you will, partly because of the money, but also because if they're going to keep paying you you're going to have to go where they tell you to go. And if they can't find work for you, then they're obviously not going to keep paying you indefinitely, so I don't see how you're any better off.

Sounds to me like they're just playing on your fear of not finding work to con you into letting them take a much larger cut.

[TinTin]

Final advice

B & E, I can see from your posts that you have a balanced view and you can also put your thoughts in writing which is quite an achievement compared to most newbies that come here (mind you, most of them won't be able to speak proper English either). Hence, I'd say you've nothing to lose and if it doesn't work out in the end, you can always try and get a contract in 6 months time. There is no such thing as a 'permanent' job, so if you go in with a contractor and not a permie mentality, you may find yourself up the ladder a lot faster than in your previous permie job. As everything else in life, this is a compromise and all about balancing risks. BTW, this is nothing like the FTV jobs that are offered to our friends from the Indian sub-continent which pay around £ 15k (plus accommodation, like stated above). These are roles that pay £ 40-60k (admittedly costing agencies less than a contract), so look at it as a £ 200+ daily gig without counting the extra benefits (pension/insurance) that you have to fork out yourself if you are a contractor.

[Mordac]

That'll be the 20% with crappy IR35 caught contracts, high margins and shifty barrow-boy rec-cons. You're better off without them.

[Chunkster]

Agree with Troll - stay away. Disagree with TinTin - work for them at the moment and they don't offer any security and the 'benefits' package are not generous and in my mind not worth it.

[DaveB]

Necrobumps are bad, m'kay?

[Turion]

Maybe we can have a nostalgia section where old threads are brought back to live as if it's yesterday.

[chris79]

E**N tried a model like this a while ago and after a big consultation it got pushed under the rug.. big words like "paid holidays/sickness, health cover, etc" didn't compensate an 85% drop in wage.

[manclarky]

This has just happened to me this morning!!
An email from Adecco, telling me all contractors are going to be invited to become "Employed Consultants".

Not sure of the exact terms yet, but I'm sure they can't be good.

[kandr]

This has just happened to me this morning!!
An email from Adecco, telling me all contractors are going to be invited to become "Employed Consultants".

Not sure of the exact terms yet, but I'm sure they can't be good.

I'm with Ajilon by way of Lorien. I had to chase them to get my first payment as they didn't bother asking for my bank details. I would avoid them if possible but if its vs the bench then I would reluctantly sign up.