BNPP at it again (snip snip)

[psychocandy]

They do. When I was there there were a few permies who did WFH. The department's managers really do not like it though.

My current gig is a bit like that. Its possible but client manager does not like it all.

[northernladuk]

Fair enough that as NLUK its a different relationship....

Just imagine walking into client one day slapping a piece of paper on the desk, and saying 15% more, let me know by the end of the week, take it or leave it and I walk out the door. There'd be a riot.

Possibly but again it's not a level playing field. It's unfortunately more common for clients to bully suppliers as the client holds the purse strings. A few of my previous clients have agreements in place that their suppliers must provide a year on year cost reduction in the contract. The suppliers are signing a contract to get squeezed!!! It's how business work.. The position power flows down the chain. Some fight back if they are willing to get canned as per your example but very few do...

I reiterate a client supplier relationship is not a level playing field.

Jumping ship just because you want more money is mercenary and a tad unprofessional. The situation really dictates to what extent.

I think you are over exaggerating with riot. There would be a level of annoyance and the client would make a choice. Accept or let him go. Same as in this situation.

[DotasScandal]

They do. When I was there there were a few permies who did WFH. The department's managers really do not like it though.

This.
The "we don't have the infrastructure" is of course an excuse...as you say it's a matter of policy. They don't like people to do it, they don't want people to request it, so they come up with some BS to discourage people from even thinking about it. Old story.

[Antman]

very few do...

I reiterate a client supplier relationship is not a level playing field.

Jumping ship just because you want more money is mercenary and a tad unprofessional. The situation really dictates to what extent.

I think you are over exaggerating with riot. There would be a level of annoyance and the client would make a choice. Accept or let him go. Same as in this situation.

It's not level in that generally they have the money and generally we still have to work for it. However we do have some power from the inconvenience of them having to find someone to replace you to (rarely) being a point of failure in their systems.

Although it can be delicious to say "sod it, I don't need this", they have probably factored in the cost of those who walk out into the savings they make.

I'm still trying to imagine the riot at the client when PC submits his new wage demands

[DotasScandal]

Jumping ship just because you want more money is mercenary and a tad unprofessional. *The situation really dictates to what extent*.

Agree it's all about the situation. Most if not all, I believe, jump ship not for the extra money per se, but for better perspectives or because the current situation has become unsustainable. No one like to take a risk and jump into the unknown unless there is good reason... a handful of percent better pay generally isn't.

I think you are over exaggerating with riot. There would be a level of annoyance and the client would make a choice. Accept or let him go. Same as in this situation.

Agreed. Most seasoned professionals would be pragmatic about it - albeit (perhaps very) annoyed as you say.

[northernladuk]

Agree it's all about the situation. Most if not all, I believe, jump ship not for the extra money per se, but for better perspectives or because the current situation has become unsustainable. No one like to take a risk and jump into the unknown unless there is good reason... a handful of percent better pay generally isn't.

Oddly enough thinking about it I don't know anyone that's bailed mid contract in real life but in here nearly everyone that has asked about bailing is because of more money. A certain now reformed character on here bailed out of his first three gig's for more money. Based on that I'd have to disagree with that comment.

[northernladuk]

I'm still trying to imagine the riot at the client when PC submits his new wage demands

There would be a riot bearing in mind he should be invoicing not getting a wage

Although to be fair PC moans about clients more than most permies do so maybe that is the right phrase!

[DotasScandal]

Although it can be delicious to say "sod it, I don't need this", they have probably factored in the cost of those who walk out into the savings they make.

That's a bold assumption! Generally there are a lot of hidden costs that are NOT being correctly factored in...

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Oddly enough thinking about it I don't know anyone that's bailed mid contract in real life but in here nearly everyone that has asked about bailing is because of more money. A certain now reformed character on here bailed out of his first three gig's for more money. Based on that I'd have to disagree with that comment.

now who would that be?

[SimonMac]

Fair enough that as NLUK its a different relationship....

Just imagine walking into client one day slapping a piece of paper on the desk, and saying 15% more, let me know by the end of the week, take it or leave it and I walk out the door. There'd be a riot.

Its about quantities of scale

Contractor pulls that to thier Client who is 100% of their income source = Contractor loses
Clinet does this to Contractors 10% of whom walk = Client wins