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[Pondlife]

Well on 10k avg NI alone, it would be £2bn

So it's going nowhere then. Plus I imagine if it were revoked than there would be a massive number of temps and other at the lower end reclassed (by their employer) as self employed overnight.

[tractor]

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So it's going nowhere then. Plus I imagine if it were revoked than there would be a massive number of temps and other at the lower end reclassed (by their employer) as self employed overnight.

Exactly.

But importantly, there are hundreds of thousands of us that don't work via brollies. That is why our problems won't go away until HMRC has us all firmly in the fold. If IPSE is to be believed, there are 4.5m of us. And the number will only grow when unscrupulous care companies amongst others realise they can get away with forced self employment.

[RasputinDude]

They will squeeze the life out of it so that few will do business with what they consider a PSC FLC .

FTFY

[tractor]

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FTFY

My NY resolution was to be non-contentious. I have no idea how long it will last Plus we have to call it PSC because our noble Lords said so (pompous arses).

[Pondlife]

No reaction over on IPSE forum.

[tractor]

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No reaction over on IPSE forum.

With the impending AGM and governance proposals, there won't be.

I suggest the lurkers here and the lurkers there familiarise themselves with the proposals and make their vote count on 24th January. Your PCG needs you!

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Exactly.

But importantly, there are hundreds of thousands of us that don't work via brollies. That is why our problems won't go away until HMRC has us all firmly in the fold. If IPSE is to be believed, there are 4.5m of us. And the number will only grow when unscrupulous care companies amongst others realise they can get away with forced self employment.

But that's part of the problem - we all know what we mean by 'contractor' and we know that Ltd Co is a valid business mechanism for them - what HMG are beginning to see as contractors ranges from £1000 per day IT specialists to brickies to care workers to teachers to locums etc etc etc. It's like comparing apples to oranges - IMHO 'contractors' should be clearly defined and should be treated accordingly not lumped in with 'temps'

[tractor]

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But that's part of the problem - we all know what we mean by 'contractor' and we know that Ltd Co is a valid business mechanism for them - what HMG are beginning to see as contractors ranges from £1000 per day IT specialists to brickies to care workers to teachers to locums etc etc etc. It's like comparing apples to oranges - IMHO 'contractors' should be clearly defined and should be treated accordingly not lumped in with 'temps'

+1 but you are preaching to the converted

HMRC see the task in the opposite light. The more people they can convince the gov that are 'temps' (albeit only in their view), the more weight their argument has, the more budget they get and the less work they have to do with every single contractor that becomes caught either by their own investigation or is driven to a brolly/perm by the fear of an investigation.

The HoL saw through them but unfortunately, they don't make and cannot influence government policy. Goverment policy decisions follow the money trail only. Yet a still more ridiculous situation exists that allows us to count the proceeds of drugs and prostitution in our GNP but also prevents us from taxing the same

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

+1 but you are preaching to the converted

I know sorry

HMRC see the task in the opposite light. The more people they can convince the gov that are 'temps' (albeit only in their view), the more weight their argument has, the more budget they get and the less work they have to do with every single contractor that becomes caught either by their own investigation or is driven to a brolly/perm by the fear of an investigation.

The HoL saw through them but unfortunately, they don't make and cannot influence government policy. Goverment policy decisions follow the money trail only. Yet a still more ridiculous situation exists that allows us to count the proceeds of drugs and prostitution in our GNP but also prevents us from taxing the same

All good points Sir and well made I am beginning to wonder though whether the political drive in all this is taking things in a direction which will actually make life more difficult for HMRC - employment law and all it entails is far more complex and subjective than tax law

[tractor]

All good points Sir and well made I am beginning to wonder though whether the political drive in all this is taking things in a direction which will actually make life more difficult for HMRC - employment law and all it entails is far more complex and subjective than tax law

That is why they have taken the ITEPA route to squeeze rather than the other more difficult route that would have given us a silver bullet. Remember, they could have attempted to define a PSC at any time since IR35 was implemented. They could have taken every single contested case to court. They did not because it would have clarified things in our favour by enshrining all we need to do to keep onside, in employment law.