Brexit dividend;

[Paddy]

Brexit dividend; more time to spend at home.

Ryanair advertises jobs for those with ‘right to live and work in EU’ | The Independent

Being “hardworking, flexible [with] an outgoing and friendly personality” is all very well, but British citizens would soon not qualify to work as cabin crew with Ryanair under the conditions of a new job advert. They appear to fall at the first hurdle because of Brexit.

Europe’s biggest budget airline has a recruitment day in Manchester on 22 February 2020.

Ryanair is seeking applicants who are “adaptable and happy to work a shift roster”. They must “enjoy dealing with the public and have the ability to provide excellent customer service with a ‘can do’ attitude”.

But British citizens would be unlikely to be able to meet the first requirement for anyone seeking a “highly competitive salary” and “amazing staff travel benefits” once the Brexit transition period ends in 11 months’ time.

[darmstadt]

Brexit dividend; more time to spend at home.

Ryanair advertises jobs for those with ‘right to live and work in EU’ | The Independent

Not just Ryanair but it seems most airlines and other companies are starting to do this the Nationality Requirements are that you must have *unrestricted* citizenship status within the EEA/EU area meaning British and other UK nationals can no longer apply for these and many other jobs to work in 28 different countries. You can now only work easily and friction free in the UK. However, it seems that the UK Civil Service are still open for imported expertise from virtually all over the world.. In exactly the same way as before Brexit.

[original PM]

Do does that mean all Airlines have to abide by this?

So all staff on American Airlines who fly to Europe have the right to live and work in Europe then?

Bit confused as to why this restriction would exist only for people in the UK.

[scooterscot]

Of course you're confused. Let me break it down... (aka fear mongering).

Easyjet / Ryanair staff probably fly in and out of the EU 10-20 times more often than American airlines staff.

From a logistical point of view it is far easier to timetable your flights with staff that have flexible working rights in many countries rather than a few.

[shaunbhoy]

Of course you're confused. Let me break it down.

Wouldn't you be better getting someone with a brain to make any points you might have as opposed to just blundering on in your standard manner?

Hasn't exactly worked too well thus far has it, you being a whole new level of stupid and all?

HTH

[Cirrus]

Bit confused as to why this restriction would exist only for people in the UK.

Rynanair like to have the freedom to move people to different locations including other countries so they want people who don't have restrictions. At this moment in time that would require candidates with both UK and EU rights. Ryanair have said they will change this when the relationship with Europe is finalised but of course right now nobody has got the faintest idea what Brexit means so they're stuck.

So to answer your question: it only applies to the UK because the UK is the only country where 17 million turkeys voted for Xmas.

[Bean]

This would only apply post 31st Dec 2020 and even then, that would be dependant on any deal.

Transition period is BAU people.

[WTFH]

Do does that mean all Airlines have to abide by this?

So all staff on American Airlines who fly to Europe have the right to live and work in Europe then?

Bit confused as to why this restriction would exist only for people in the UK.

The law may be confusing to you.

Here’s the current UK law: Aircrew: CRM02 - GOV.UK
Here’s an example of how they do it in the US: Apply for a U.S. Visa - Transit/Ship Crew Visa
(At a cost of $160)

Currently, there has been no negotiation or discussion about the UK and EU reaching an agreement on how it will work going forward, so airlines that primarily operate on EU routes will want to make sure their employees will be covered to work without having to potentially shell out for transit visas.

[original PM]

The law may be confusing to you.

Here’s the current UK law: Aircrew: CRM02 - GOV.UK
Here’s an example of how they do it in the US: Apply for a U.S. Visa - Transit/Ship Crew Visa
(At a cost of $160)

Currently, there has been no negotiation or discussion about the UK and EU reaching an agreement on how it will work going forward, so airlines that primarily operate on EU routes will want to make sure their employees will be covered to work without having to potentially shell out for transit visas.

So assuming the EU insist on this then we would reciprocate and require all airline staff to have a visa to work in the UK - at I would imagine the exact same cost.

And so yes potentially you would see an increase in air fares - how much does lets say 1000 'visa's' at £160 quid a pop cost

well it's clearly £160,000

Now Ryanair's profits for 2019 were £880 million so this equates to 0.018% of profit.

Or lets look at it by passenger numbers - in 2019 142 million people travelled by Ryanair so lets say that visa cost is spread across all air fares - that means we would pay an extra 0.001 p per passenger.

Now let's start to assume that actually air crew do not go ground side when they land - in this instance as they are not working in the country (as they are not passing border control) then this issue starts to go away a bit.

Then say they do go ground side but do not actually work - e.g. the only work they do is when they are in the plane and airside all they need is a visitors visa or whatever rules the EU wants to put in place to reduce it's tourist income.

So let's then talk about ground side crew - e.g. those at check in - normally they are people native to the country you are flying - I rarely see a UK check in crew in France for example.

So when you start to look at it it's not really a problem unless the EU decide to make it one - and in doing so cause themselves more problems.

[darmstadt]

So let's then talk about ground side crew - e.g. those at check in - normally they are people native to the country you are flying - I rarely see a UK check in crew in France for example.

Why would there be a UK crew in France when the French speak better English than you?