More job losses due to Brexit?

[Mordac]

I know, right? And when a “Brussels Government” puts up fuel duty, and excise duty on my beer, and introduces IR35....

If you’re going to make stuff up, why not go the whole hog?

Who's making stuff up? How far away do you think a "Brussels Government" actually is? And when it comes, they won't be dicking about with beer and fuel duty, they'll be after your proper cash.

[Mordac]

If you’re standing there arrogantly waiting for a form in your own language, it might explain why the NHS is failing to recoup medical payments from other EU nationals if they’re all taking the same stance.

By your reasoning, the only way the EU can work is if everyone speaks 20+ different languages. Maybe that's why it doesn't work as smoothly as some would like. One shouldn't need to be fluent in Czech to enjoy a weekend in Prague, but if that's how you want the thing to work...

[Mordac]

Still want to know about this Brussels government that sets laws for other sovereign countries....

The next 5 years should prove illuminating, given the new intake of overlords of EU expansion.

[meridian]

More job losses due to Brexit?

Who's making stuff up? How far away do you think a "Brussels Government" actually is? And when it comes, they won't be dicking about with beer and fuel duty, they'll be after your proper cash.

Dunno mate, haven’t got my tin foil hat on. You’re the one that made brought it up.

[meridian]

More job losses due to Brexit?

By your reasoning, the only way the EU can work is if everyone speaks 20+ different languages. Maybe that's why it doesn't work as smoothly as some would like. One shouldn't need to be fluent in Czech to enjoy a weekend in Prague, but if that's how you want the thing to work...

Quite the opposite. The way the EU is is everyone speaking 20 different languages. Embrace it and embrace the differences.

Personally, I’ve found making an honest attempt and butchering their language tends to get them speaking English faster than just repeating the same thing BUT LOUDER. Perhaps that’s why I’ve found no trouble in getting forms filled in for me.

[Mordac]

Dunno mate, haven’t got my tin foil hat on. You’re the one that made brought it up.

My guess is we're probably 2 treaties away from a single nation state EU*. Which direction do you think they've been heading all these years? And if you acknowledge that, do you think they're going to suddenly stop now?

*If they beat Brexit (by which I mean prevent it) that might be sooner. There'll be nobody left to complain, will there?

[meridian]

My guess is we're probably 2 treaties away from a single nation state EU*. Which direction do you think they've been heading all these years? And if you acknowledge that, do you think they're going to suddenly stop now?

*If they beat Brexit (by which I mean prevent it) that might be sooner. There'll be nobody left to complain, will there?

Honestly? The direction has been towards ever-closer-Union for a long time, it’s not a secret.

However, I don’t think there is a single member state that would accept a single all-powerful EU government. It’s simply not going to happen.

By the by, who do you think “they” are? Some shadowy cabal? It’s a collection of multinational governments, not SPECTRE.

[darmstadt]

By the by, who do you think “they” are? Some shadowy cabal? It’s a collection of multinational governments, not SPECTRE.

Ah yes, the 'they', the Brexit Illuminati conspiracy theory, really shows how clever they are...

[Mordac]

Honestly? The direction has been towards ever-closer-Union for a long time, it’s not a secret.

However, I don’t think there is a single member state that would accept a single all-powerful EU government. It’s simply not going to happen.

By the by, who do you think “they” are? Some shadowy cabal? It’s a collection of multinational governments, not SPECTRE.

So we can forget all about "sovereignty", it's starting to look a bit of a mythical beast.
If member states don't like the idea, why are they signing up to each more powerful treaty? Vetoes are granted, not guaranteed. We "vetoed" both the last two EU Presidents, what was the point of that?
And my definition of "they" is a political movement of the unelected variety who are driving the bus, and have the clout to kick the crap out of elected governments. If that's the only thing we've learned from Brexit, it's this, surely?

[Mordac]

Ah yes, the 'they', the Brexit Illuminati conspiracy theory, really shows how clever they are...

If in doubt, introduce a "conspiracy theory" into the argument. Therefore anybody who disagrees with you is a certified nutter. You can do better than that, surely?