Votes to be offered to the commons

[Whorty]

That's brave - her "deal" is worse than "no deal" or "no Brexit". At least with "no deal" we save ourselves £39bn. A trade deal isn't yet on the table either way. I wonder if she's hoping the EU will blink when they realise how much it's going to cost them.

May's deal is not worse than no deal, at least not to the UK economy. No brexit is clearly significantly better than both May's deal and no deal to the UK economy but not to the pockets of the likes of JRM. Question is, will JRM risk the chance of no brexit, or should he tell his ERG pals to support May? He's seeing no deal slipping out of his grasp, so he needs to decide which cards to play next before he is completely out played

[Old Greg]

May's deal is not worse than no deal, at least not to the UK economy. No brexit is clearly significantly better than both May's deal and no deal to the UK economy but not to the pockets of the likes of JRM. Question is, will JRM risk the chance of no brexit, or should he tell his ERG pals to support May? He's seeing no deal slipping out of his grasp, so he needs to decide which cards to play next before he is completely out played

He would rather have the opportunity to condemn outright treason, than be complicit in an act of vassalage.

[stonehenge]

At least with "no deal" we save ourselves £39bn.

I guess it ought to be substantially less than £39bn because there would be no transition period.

I'm not sure what they could do if we refused to pay them anything, but it might hamper trade talks a wee bit.

[meridian]

I guess it ought to be substantially less than £39bn because there would be no transition period.

I'm not sure what they could do if we refused to pay them anything, but it might hamper trade talks a wee bit.

We save £39b, but that’s not taking into account the lost opportunity cost, the increased cost of trade, or the cost of No Deal preparations.

A bit like jacking in your job to save on travel costs.

[stonehenge]

We save £39b

Even under no-deal, we'd still have to pay a tidy sum if we wanted a future trade deal.

Someone's got to pay for moggy's pension etc.

[Mordac]

May's deal is not worse than no deal, at least not to the UK economy. No brexit is clearly significantly better than both May's deal and no deal to the UK economy but not to the pockets of the likes of JRM. Question is, will JRM risk the chance of no brexit, or should he tell his ERG pals to support May? He's seeing no deal slipping out of his grasp, so he needs to decide which cards to play next before he is completely out played

May's deal effectively keeps us in the EU forever (or at least until they decide to allow us to actually leave, which will be effectively never).
No Brexit still leaves us with another chance at A50 (and the "try, try, try again" principle"). Not ideal, but if at first you don't succeed...
No deal means we get the chance to build from day 1 as an independent country, and when it comes to negotiating a trade deal, we will actually hold some value cards.
It'll be interesting to see how the EU elections in May change the playing conditions. That alone might be a good reason to delay A50, just to see what happens.

[Mordac]

Even under no-deal, we'd still have to pay a tidy sum if we wanted a future trade deal.

Someone's got to pay for moggy's pension etc.

Please, hide your ignorance, he's not an MEP. I doubt we'd have to pay anything like what we currently pay for the so-called "free trade deal". I'll give you a clue - it's not even close to "free".

[meridian]

May's deal effectively keeps us in the EU forever (or at least until they decide to allow us to actually leave, which will be effectively never).

Why? What happened to the technological solutions to the backstop that the Brexiters promised us? They've got two years to get it up and running, and then we're out.

Simples.

[Mordac]

Why? What happened to the technological solutions to the backstop that the Brexiters promised us? They've got two years to get it up and running, and then we're out.

Simples.

Only if the EU agree, and what do you reckon they'd want to do? They'd have to be mad to agree to a technical solution, when they could simply tell us to sod off and keep paying up.

[meridian]

Votes to be offered to the commons

Only if the EU agree, and what do you reckon they'd want to do? They'd have to be mad to agree to a technical solution, when they could simply tell us to sod off and keep paying up.

Then it goes to arbitration. Better than not implementing the technological solution and just moaning about “what if”, no?

There are a fair few of the other member states that see the CU alignment as an advantage to the U.K. and that want to be shot of us ASAP.

Why would we keep paying up? There’s no agreement yet for payments if the backstop is triggered.

If we go into the backstop, will the UK be making any financial contributions to the EU for that period? - Full Fact