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Originally posted by Mordac View PostMy point, in case you missed it, was why can EU nations use whatever crappy pallets they like (which we seemingly have been doing) without sanction? The minute we're not in the EU, our pallets suddenly become treated like a toxic turd. For obvious environmental reasons that may well be a very good thing, but if you impose a set of rules, it's probably best to impose them across the board. If EU regulations only apply to non-EU member states, what's the fooking point?Comment
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Requirements for wood packaging & dunnage | Food Safety
https://ec.europa.eu/food/sites/food...w_eu_rules.pdf
EUR-pallet - Wikipedia
Chlorinated chicken and hormone modified beef also comes to mind....“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by Mordac View PostMy point, in case you missed it, was why can EU nations use whatever crappy pallets they like (which we seemingly have been doing) without sanction? The minute we're not in the EU, our pallets suddenly become treated like a toxic turd. For obvious environmental reasons that may well be a very good thing, but if you impose a set of rules, it's probably best to impose them across the board. If EU regulations only apply to non-EU member states, what's the fooking point?
These are called “non-tariff barriers”, and there are a lot of them. Many of them are harmonised with third countries so that some third countries do not have to follow them, these are part of the 750+ agreements and bi-laterals that the EU has agreed with those countries.
You voted for us to be outside the Single Market, and for us to leave those 750+ agreements and start from scratch.
Own it.Comment
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Originally posted by Mordac View PostMy point, in case you missed it, was why can EU nations use whatever crappy pallets they like (which we seemingly have been doing) without sanction?
Most companies who produce product that is shipped internationally do not own the pallets that are used. That's a bit different to domestic deliveries where you get a cheap one that is locally produced, paid for by the company and is disposed of after delivery.
(This piece of education could turn into a Nick Fitz MLFTB)
Before WWII, everybody used their own pallets to ship things around. As the war progressed, a lot of military product was being shipped around the world, from factory to factory, to the battlefields and airfields, etc and it became a big task for the suppliers to get enough pallets, all of which then were destroyed after one journey. There wasn't a standard size for the pallets each business worked to somewhere between 30" and 48". Up steps the Australian government with an idea - they would supply the pallets, but they weren't to be destroyed after one journey, but would be built stronger so they could be re-used. The government would own the pallets, and to make them obvious, they would all be painted blue.
And so the Commonwealth Handling Equipment Pool was formed, aka CHEP.
CHEP today is the largest owner of pallets in the world, all of them rented to companies who reuse them. When you see a blue pallet, it will be stamped "Property of CHEP", and that is who owns them.
There are various other companies like CHEP, although American businesses are more fond of destroying after single use, as re-using and working with others isn't one of their strong points.
One of the other pallet organisations is EPAL- the European Pallet Association. They deal only in EUR Pallets which come in 4 different sizes, the main ones being 80x120cm and 120x100cm. They don't have a distinctive colour, but they will all be stamped with an oval EPAL logo. Like CHEP pallets, these all belong to a pool - the EPP. They are made to standards which means there is no risk of contamination from the wood.
And why does it matter? Well there's a few things -
Firstly big businesses do not want their storage areas to be full of unused, odd-sized pallets that they need to dispose of - a small warehouse receiving 200 pallets a day will quickly run out of space with their empty pallets.
Secondly, when storing the products they want to be able to put them away on their pallet in storage racks. If the pallets are a standard size, this is simple.
Thirdly, businesses who ship goods out on pallets need to know that they are appropriate for the type of product being shipped. If the pallets you receive your stock in on are to a known standard, then you know you can use them for shipping (bar any damage)
Fourthly, companies do not want to spend the money on owning a pallet that will only be used for one delivery, it's cheaper to rent for a few pennies than pay a hundred pounds for one use.
If you've ever been in an FMCG warehouse, or any warehouse with 10,000+ pallet spaces, you'll know the importance of standards for size, weight and strength. If you've only ever seen a single pallet delivered to your house, or a load of them on a bonfire then you probably won't understand the significance of standards for warehousing and transportation on a large scale.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by meridian View PostI understand where you’re coming from, but that is simply the way the Single Market works - one rule for everyone inside it, and another rule for everyone outside it. You don’t have to like it or understand why the rules are different, they just are because the members of the Single Market want it that way.
These are called “non-tariff barriers”, and there are a lot of them. Many of them are harmonised with third countries so that some third countries do not have to follow them, these are part of the 750+ agreements and bi-laterals that the EU has agreed with those countries.
You voted for us to be outside the Single Market, and for us to leave those 750+ agreements and start from scratch.
Own it.
Boo hoo, they cry ... why do we have to be treated differently to the way we were when we were in the EU? Maybe now they're starting to understand what the EU meant by we can't have our cake and eat itI am what I drink, and I'm a bitter manComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostCan you provide evidence of which companies - not "EU Nations" as you put it - are using "crappy pallets".
I assume right now anything we currently export has to the EU must be on these pallets - so we have some in the country now?
So we could just use those
Or maybe we can ask lots of the non EU nations who export to the EU how they manage - maybe speak to some of the warehouse owners see how they deal with the huge amounts of non eu standard pallets they must be getting?
Surely there is an easy solution for this.Comment
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No Deal exports grind to a halt
Originally posted by original PM View PostCan you?
I assume right now anything we currently export has to the EU must be on these pallets - so we have some in the country now?
So we could just use those
Or maybe we can ask lots of the non EU nations who export to the EU how they manage - maybe speak to some of the warehouse owners see how they deal with the huge amounts of non eu standard pallets they must be getting?
Surely there is an easy solution for this.Comment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostCan you provide evidence of which companies - not "EU Nations" as you put it - are using "crappy pallets".Originally posted by original PM View PostCan you?
I didn't make a ridiculous unsubstantiated claim (fairly typical of Brexiteers). That's why I asked for the evidence.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by meridian View PostWe have some, but not enough. Didn’t you read the original link? It’s in there.
They use EU-approved pallets. They have built up their supply chains over years, using approved pallets. We have decided to suddenly cut off our supply chains and start from scratch.
Yes. Pay for the right pallets and get them delivered to the U.K. “Easy” does not also mean quick or cheap.
The pallets must exist in the UK right now - because we trade with the EU with no problems and no one has ever mentioned access to pallets is an issue.
So come the day we leave the EU - but we still continue to trade with them and they continue to trade with us - why are all the fooking pallets suddenly going to go awol?
Are the EU going to send a load of ninja's over to steal 'em?Comment
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