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    #71
    Originally posted by Eirikur View Post
    They also all have their own football team just like Gib.
    And WTF does FIFA know about international politics

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      #72
      Originally posted by Eirikur View Post
      Does the UN recognise England Scotland or Wales as nations? No. Yet we still call them countries or nations.
      They also all have their own football team just like Gib.
      And Faroe Islands. And Greenland.

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        #73
        Originally posted by Eirikur View Post
        Does the UN recognise England Scotland or Wales as nations? No. Yet we still call them countries or nations.
        They also all have their own football team just like Gib.
        FYI Wales is a conquered nation. Wales is in fact a principality of England. That is why they have a Prince and their flag does not appear in the Union flag.

        The union of the countries of England and Scotland was formed by some treaty or something similar (I'm sure someone will be kind enough to provide details and dates)

        Act of the Union 1707. Google is your friend
        Last edited by Yorkie62; 7 February 2019, 13:41.

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          #74
          Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
          And Faroe Islands. And Greenland.
          Constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands are Aruba, Curaçao, Netherlands and Sint Maarten.

          Country is not a well defined term so it has some flexibility in usage.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Yorkie62 View Post
            FYI Wales is a conquered nation. Wales is in fact a principality of England. That is why they have a Prince and their flag does not appear in the Union flag.

            The union of the countries of England and Scotland was formed by some treaty or something similar (I'm sure someone will be kind enough to provide details and dates)

            Act of the Union 1707. Google is your firend
            Wales is officially considered a constituent country of the UK, although I believe there is no legal basis for this definition.

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              #76
              Originally posted by Yorkie62 View Post
              And WTF does FIFA know about international politics
              What does it matter? FIFA can adopt the concept of country or national team because these are flexible terms, unlike sovereign state.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                The term 'country' is arguable and does not necessarily refer to a sovereign state. Consider usage for country of origin and other country codes. Also consider England as a constituent country of the UK.

                'Territory' is more accurate but it would be hard to demonstrate that country is 'incorrect'.
                Agreed, that's a fair argument.
                His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Yorkie62 View Post
                  And WTF does FIFA know about international politics
                  Quite a lot apparently, they know very well from which governments to get the best bribes. Remember Russia and Qatar winning the bids for organising the Worldcup and England losing it?

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                    Wales is officially considered a constituent country of the UK, although I believe there is no legal basis for this definition.
                    Wales on line
                    WalesOnline: News, sport, weather and events from across Wales › News › Wales News › Essential Wales
                    defines Wales as a country. Well they would wouldn't they.

                    OR. Another point of view

                    Is Wales a country? Is it a member of the UN? - Quora

                    Or there's the view from the Guardian

                    If 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' is the official title of the 'nation' and Wales is a principality, are England, Scotland & Northern Ireland 'countries'? And, if so, what's the official difference between a 'country' and a 'nation'? | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.uk

                    and many more but the concesus outside of Wales is that Wales is not really a country

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Mordac View Post
                      Agreed, that's a fair argument.
                      See. A reasonable discussion.

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