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    #11
    Originally posted by GreenMirror View Post
    So the choices are no deal. May deal. Or stay in the EU.
    I'm not sure that is an option, as both Tory and Labour leaderships have committed to leave.

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      #12
      Originally posted by stonehenge View Post
      I'm not sure that is an option, as both Tory and Labour leaderships have committed to leave.
      BRINO dear boy, it's just a matter of spin.

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        #13
        Originally posted by stonehenge View Post
        I'm not sure that is an option, as both Tory and Labour leaderships have committed to leave.
        They will call it a postponement. Or say they cannot leave with a deal.

        I am sure the EU will say A50 cannot be postponed.

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          #14
          Originally posted by GreenMirror View Post
          They will call it a postponement. Or say they cannot leave with a deal.

          I am sure the EU will say A50 cannot be postponed.

          As I understand it we can delay for a General election or a referendum.

          We could also possibly rescind it and invoke it again. Would hack the EU off but give us 2 years to prepare no deal.

          Article 24 is also a possibility assuming we can convince the EU.

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            #15
            Originally posted by vetran View Post
            As I understand it we can delay for a General election or a referendum.

            We could also possibly rescind it and invoke it again. Would hack the EU off but give us 2 years to prepare no deal.

            Article 24 is also a possibility assuming we can convince the EU.
            A referendum would allegedly take 2 years anyway. Referendums are the worst way of settling things and would only increase divisions.

            A GE would change nothing. MPs believe they are elected to vote for their conscience. Which means for their party.

            Maybe we need an American government system?

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              #16
              Originally posted by vetran View Post
              As I understand it we can delay for a General election or a referendum.

              We could also possibly rescind it and invoke it again. Would hack the EU off but give us 2 years to prepare no deal.

              Article 24 is also a possibility assuming we can convince the EU.

              Three sentences, all of them wrong.

              We cannot (unilaterally) delay for a GE or a referendum. What we can do is ask the EU for an extension and provide our reasons for requesting it, and the 27 Member States can approve or refuse.

              We cannot rescind and then revoke, at least not easily. According to the judgement we can unilaterally revoke but it must be an honest revocation. What that means in practice is not determined, but it's generally understood that it would take a change in Government (one government cannot bind the next, etc) before any we could invoke again. And, of course, pissing off our negotiating partner is a great way to start...

              Assuming you mean Article XXIV of GATT, this is only possible if there is an agreed FTA in place and we are waiting for implementation. In addition, any other member of the WTO can object.

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                #17
                Originally posted by meridian View Post
                And, of course, pissing off our negotiating partner is a great way to start...
                They are already hacked off. Well they should be. As a Brexiter I am disgusted at the way parliament has treated the EU. I am amazed they don't sling us out.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by meridian View Post
                  Three sentences, all of them wrong.

                  We cannot (unilaterally) delay for a GE or a referendum. What we can do is ask the EU for an extension and provide our reasons for requesting it, and the 27 Member States can approve or refuse.

                  We cannot rescind and then revoke, at least not easily. According to the judgement we can unilaterally revoke but it must be an honest revocation. What that means in practice is not determined, but it's generally understood that it would take a change in Government (one government cannot bind the next, etc) before any we could invoke again. And, of course, pissing off our negotiating partner is a great way to start...

                  Assuming you mean Article XXIV of GATT, this is only possible if there is an agreed FTA in place and we are waiting for implementation. In addition, any other member of the WTO can object.
                  not wrong, only partially qualified but you attempt to portray it as doom being a nobrainer.

                  The EU has publicly offered the chance to delay on this basis so yes we can!

                  Where does it say that in law about article 50? Sounds like wishful thinking, a lie just Nick "I see no Army" Clegg or the "Kangaroo Court" EU Brexit: EU to have power to punish UK at will during transition | Politics | The Guardian.

                  Doesn't seem to say that about the GATT here:

                  Britain’s Brexit Plan B – POLITICO

                  or here

                  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...rade-deal-myth

                  or even here

                  WTO | Regional Trade Agreements - GATT Article XXIV

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                    #19
                    Whatever it takes.

                    Originally posted by GreenMirror View Post
                    Referendums are the worst way of settling things and would only increase divisions
                    We can live with increased division. It would be a lot better than any form of Brexit.
                    "Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark Twain

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Cirrus View Post
                      We can live with increased division. It would be a lot better than any form of Brexit in my biased opinion.

                      FTFY

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