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EU plans to ground British flights to the EU for no deal

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    #41
    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Of course they will decide at their own discretion but the text they've published makes it clear that they are not simply allowing all flights to the EU only "certain flights".
    https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...y-qanda_en.pdf

    Sections 8 and 9 on pages 4 and 5.

    The EU are unilaterally permitting 3rd and 4th freedom flights, i.e. flights between the EU and UK, and between the UK and EU - provided we reciprocate. That is the basic service.

    The UK's hand here is enforcing foreign ownership rules on airlines operating from the UK to UK and UK to non-EU destinations, which will provide fun and games to RyanAir, Wizzair, Norwegian and British Airways - a UK subsidiary of a foreign company wouldn't be enough.

    Will there still be plane connections between the UK and the EU in case of no
    deal? What exactly is the EU proposing to ensure this? What will happen if the
    UK does not reciprocate the measures taken by the EU?

    In case of no deal, the Commission is proposing that "point-to-point" flight
    connections, i.e. connections from the territory of the United Kingdom to the
    territory of the EU27, are temporarily allowed on the basis of a unilateral
    measure. This measure will enter into force in case of no deal, if the United
    Kingdom reciprocates, and last until 30 March 2020. This is to avoid a full
    interruption of traffic between the EU and the United Kingdom.
    To ensure reciprocity, the proposal would enable the Commission to adopt
    appropriate measures, such as adjusting the allowable capacity available to UK
    air carriers, or requiring Member States to adapt, refuse, suspend or revoke
    the operating authorisations of UK air carriers, if the Commission were to
    determine that rights granted by the UK to EU air carriers are not equivalent to
    those granted to UK air carriers.

    Why is the Commission limiting its contingency proposal to only ensuring basic
    connectivity between the EU and the UK (so called 3rd and 4th freedoms)?

    A no-deal scenario will cause significant disruption. As mentioned in the
    Communication of 19 December 2018, contingency measures cannot replicate
    the benefits of membership of the Union, nor the terms of any transition
    period, as provided for in the draft Withdrawal Agreement. Basic connectivity
    refers to the level and volume of air transport services that will suffice to cover
    the basic needs of the Member States' economies and mitigate to some extent
    the impact of withdrawal, without however guaranteeing the continuation of all
    existing air transport services under the same terms as they are supplied
    today.
    Taking a break from contracting

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      #42
      Originally posted by chopper View Post
      https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info...y-qanda_en.pdf

      Sections 8 and 9 on pages 4 and 5.

      The EU are unilaterally permitting 3rd and 4th freedom flights, i.e. flights between the EU and UK, and between the UK and EU - provided we reciprocate. That is the basic service.

      The UK's hand here is enforcing foreign ownership rules on airlines operating from the UK to UK and UK to non-EU destinations, which will provide fun and games to RyanAir, Wizzair, Norwegian and British Airways - a UK subsidiary of a foreign company wouldn't be enough.
      Again you are simply interpreting it. The text states:

      Basic connectivity
      refers to the level and volume of air transport services that will suffice to cover
      the basic needs of the Member States' economies and mitigate to some extent
      the impact of withdrawal, without however guaranteeing the continuation of all
      existing air transport services under the same terms as they are supplied
      today.
      They are not guaranteeing the continuation of ALL air transport services, not ALL EU flights that don't have the UK as a destination

      In the first paragraph they have already stated that UK airlines will not be able to fly within the EU. The basic connectivity refers only to flights to and from the UK and will not be guaranteed for all flights.
      Last edited by BlasterBates; 19 December 2018, 16:49.
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