Question for the Bremoaners

[Cirrus]

What???!!!

do not inflict "tyranny" on individuals, only on populations

Mordac, you really need to run through sentences like this in your head before starting to tap the ivories.

Or stay off the White Lightning.

[Eirikur]

Well done for asking the stupidest question imaginable. The EU do not inflict "tyranny" on individuals, only on populations, particularly those which happen to disagree with their view. One wonders what they are going to do to the Italians in the coming days, perhaps they'll just enforce a government upon them again...

Give an example of a group of people and don't mention the Greeks as it was self inflicted and they always had the choice to get out of the Euro

[Yorkie62]

Give an example of a group of people and don't mention the Greeks as it was self inflicted and they always had the choice to get out of the Euro

The Catalans. The EU stood by and watch as Spain beat the crap out of their own people.

[NotAllThere]

The Catalans. The EU stood by and watch as Spain beat the crap out of their own people.

Oh that old canard.

Even the individual countries that make up the EU didn't say much.

For the EU to have intervened would have required powers that have been repeatedly resisted by pretty much every country that's part of the EU - none so vigorously as British Eurosceptics.

You, apparently, would have preferred the EU to have the power to interfere with the sovereignty of Spain. But that would be somewhat tyrannical, wouldn't it?

[Mordac]

Give an example of a group of people and don't mention the Greeks as it was self inflicted and they always had the choice to get out of the Euro

Politically, that was never going to happen. The loss of a Euro member would be seen as a huge embarrassment, which is why they weren't kicked out when they should have been.

[original PM]

Oh that old canard.

Even the individual countries that make up the EU didn't say much.

For the EU to have intervened would have required powers that have been repeatedly resisted by pretty much every country that's part of the EU - none so vigorously as British Eurosceptics.

You, apparently, would have preferred the EU to have the power to interfere with the sovereignty of Spain. But that would be somewhat tyrannical, wouldn't it?

Well it is always a good thing when those in power ignore the oppression of free people.

I for one think the is a good reason to stay in the EU.

[Mordac]

Well it is always a good thing when those in power ignore the oppression of free people.

I for one think the is a good reason to stay in the EU.

I was contemplating how to respond to NAT. He made a very good argument for governments to do nothing, which somehow reminds me of our collective response to Austria and the Sudetenland in the 1930's. That is to say, "pretend it isn't happening".
Would NAT have been happier if we'd sent the riot police in during the Scottish independence referendum? I'll presume not, but using his argument, they wouldn't have had that chance in the first place. "Scotland, after all, isn't a Sovereign nation. So bollox to 'em..."

[NotAllThere]

Would NAT have been happier if we'd sent the riot police in during the Scottish independence referendum?

The Scottish referendum was legal, and not boycotted by those opposed to independence. So entirely irrelevant.

You guys are funny. If the EU had intervened, you'd have whined about them violating sovereignty. When they don't, you whine about them not showing leadership.

What's funniest is that you don't even begin to see the inherent contradiction in your positiion.

[shaunbhoy]

What's funniest is that you don't even begin to see the inherent contradiction in your positiion.

Or maybe we do? And we are just chuckling away quietly to ourselves listening to you muppets trying to continually point this out to us?

[vetran]

The Catalans. The EU stood by and watch as Spain beat the crap out of their own people.

Actually they supported the Spanish government.

shocking...