And then they came for the driving licences

[sasguru]

I was using a different site, but let’s use yours.

https://www.totaljobs.com/salary-che...-driver-salary



Still not minimum wage as you suggested.

You need better friends if they’re telling you that they do 60 hours a week regularly. The law is clear on what hours they are allowed to do, and they are tachographed:

https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/eu-rules


I’m not saying that it’s an easy job or an easy lifestyle, but it’s not minimum wage either.

You're not suggesting that vetran (sic) doesn't know what he's talking about? Shirley not.

[vetran]

I'm being an arse again

from his link, he is equating driving with working, most drivers turn up and are told to wait to unload. They mostly will turn off the tacho when parked up waiting. They are still working. The legal limits are :

Driving hours
The main EU rules on driving hours are that you must not drive more than:

9 hours in a day - this can be extended to 10 hours twice a week
56 hours in a week
90 hours in any 2 consecutive weeks

so just driving they can do 45 hours a week every week, add loading & unloading + waiting then its easy to hit 60 hours a week.

If they have another skill e.g. cranes / heavy equipment they can be setting those up and it doesn't count on the tacho.


different rules for resting.

[meridian]

You're not suggesting that vetran (sic) doesn't know what he's talking about? Shirley not.

Well, sort of but not quite in this instance. He does make a valid point that HGV drivers work long hours and aren’t terribly well paid. I still maintain that it’s not exactly minimum wage though.

There are some minor inaccuracies (60 hours driving in one week means that the driver should only do 30 the next to keep under the 90 hour limit), but he’s also right that there are some unscrupulous employers that would force more. That’s not necessarily going to go away if the Polish drivers are taken off the roads, though.

He also struggles with averages. £26k as an average means that half the drivers are getting more than this. A decent HGV driver that’s been doing it for a decade will be on £40k or more, if they’re working logistics for a reputable company. I’m not counting 50p-a-parcel delivery drivers here.

[sasguru]

Some waffly pish as usual

If you think British drivers (or anyone else doing similar jobs) wages will rise after Brexit, particularly in the context of this thread, then no doubt you'll be hoping for a proper good Brexit
I hope you get your wish just so I can laugh even more.
You really are a different level of idiot.

[vetran]

If you think British drivers (or anyone else doing similar jobs) wages will rise after Brexit, particularly in the context of this thread, then no doubt you'll be hoping for a proper good Brexit
I hope you get your wish just so I can laugh even more.
You really are a different level of idiot.

we will see. I am still waiting for the economic Armageddon promised if we dared to vote out. The scurry of EU nationals escaping Britain was going to turn into a flood. Food and materials were going to require selling your first born. Strangely none of that has happened.

All we have so far is you moving away - I will take that as a positive.

[BR14]

we will see. I am still waiting for the economic Armageddon promised if we dared to vote out. The scurry of EU nationals escaping Britain was going to turn into a flood. Food and materials were going to require selling your first born. Strangely none of that has happened.

All we have so far is you moving away - I will take that as a positive.

Hear, Hear. - now if only he could take his cloggy mate too................

[vetran]

Well, sort of but not quite in this instance. He does make a valid point that HGV drivers work long hours and aren’t terribly well paid. I still maintain that it’s not exactly minimum wage though.

There are some minor inaccuracies (60 hours driving in one week means that the driver should only do 30 the next to keep under the 90 hour limit), but he’s also right that there are some unscrupulous employers that would force more. That’s not necessarily going to go away if the Polish drivers are taken off the roads, though.

He also struggles with averages. £26k as an average means that half the drivers are getting more than this. A decent HGV driver that’s been doing it for a decade will be on £40k or more, if they’re working logistics for a reputable company. I’m not counting 50p-a-parcel delivery drivers here.

I very clearly said 60 hours working not driving. Sorry if you missed that. The rules are very specific.

The minimum wage is per hour worked. assuming you are working 13 hours a day 5 days a week 65 hours (perfectly legal driving hours).

£40k is £769.23. a week. / 65 = £11.83
£26k is £500 a week / 65 = £7.69 and the minimum wage for over 25's is £7.83.

However if put in some waiting and overnights in there that 65 can easily grow and even £40K can look low.

However it is you that obviously misunderstand Averages. If you have 100 people, 99 of which earn £1 and the 100th earns 1001 the Average (mean) wage is £11. The Modal value is £1.
99% of people earn £1.

We are talking about salaried HGV drivers here not self employed delivery drivers that should be clear.

[darmstadt]

we will see. I am still waiting for the economic Armageddon promised if we dared to vote out. The scurry of EU nationals escaping Britain was going to turn into a flood. Food and materials were going to require selling your first born. Strangely none of that has happened.

All we have so far is you moving away - I will take that as a positive.

Has Brexit happened yet? Did I miss something?

[original PM]

Yes of course the EU is going to make it difficult for British people to go abroad in their cars and buy their petrol and stay in their hotels and campsites and eat in their restaurants.

Oh wait no they won't.

It will just be same as before.

[meridian]

I very clearly said 60 hours working not driving. Sorry if you missed that. The rules are very specific.

The minimum wage is per hour worked. assuming you are working 13 hours a day 5 days a week 65 hours (perfectly legal driving hours).

£40k is £769.23. a week. / 65 = £11.83
£26k is £500 a week / 65 = £7.69 and the minimum wage for over 25's is £7.83.

However if put in some waiting and overnights in there that 65 can easily grow and even £40K can look low.

However it is you that obviously misunderstand Averages. If you have 100 people, 99 of which earn £1 and the 100th earns 1001 the Average (mean) wage is £11. The Modal value is £1.
99% of people earn £1.

We are talking about salaried HGV drivers here not self employed delivery drivers that should be clear.

Nice post, thanks for that.

And yes, I was having a brain fart with averages.