Article 50 - has anyone here actually read it?

[scooterscot]

Has the PM actually read it before she invoked it? It is a withdraw. A withdraw that must be complete before any new deal can be arranged.

No. 3 is the telling one all leave voters just don't get.

Article 50


1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

[sasguru]

Has the PM actually read it before she invoked it? It is a withdraw. A withdraw that must be complete before any new deal can be arranged.

No. 3 is the telling one all leave voters just don't get.

You are a bit special, aren't you?
Ah well I suppose there must be some cretins on the Leave side too.

[tomtomagain]

1. Paragraph 2. States

taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union

- the withdrawal agreement specifically includes the future relationship.

2. The EU's own laws state that it must seek to build friendly, co-operative, trading relationships with neighbouring countries.

3. There are plenty of leavers who would love it to just come to an end without agreement on 29th March.

[chopper]

3. There are plenty of leavers who would love it to just come to an end without agreement on 29th March.

We call many them gammons.

These are the people having wet dreams over the idea of no future relationship with the EU, therefore leaving us free to strike a Free Trade Agreement with African nations, despite them actually hating people from Africa.

They think we'll be able to sell our goods to Africa to replace the stuff we sell to the EU.

[woohoo]

We call many them gammons.

These are the people having wet dreams over the idea of no future relationship with the EU, therefore leaving us free to strike a Free Trade Agreement with African nations, despite them actually hating people from Africa.

They think we'll be able to sell our goods to Africa to replace the stuff we sell to the EU.

You call the leavers racist then in the same breath call them gammons. You assume leaving the EU means no relationship, which it does not.

You are literally the stupidest person on this entire forum, which is saying something.

This is very disappointing I can no longer calls Scoots the stupidest person here and I enjoy that.

[chopper]

You call the leavers racist then in the same breath call them gammons. You assume leaving the EU means no relationship, which it does not.

Not all leavers are gammons. The gammons are the ones who envisage no relationship at all with the EU. Sever all ties.

[tomtomagain]

We call many them gammons.

It's irrelevant what you call them. I'm sure they'd have plenty of unsavoury names for you too.

However, calling somebody stupid or racist or snowflake or gammon just because they hold a profoundly different view than your own does not make you right. It just means you are unable to reflect on their point of view.