Hammond accused of reviving Project Fear by claiming hard Brexit would harm economy

[Whorty]

There are two types of ultra Brexiters - there are the multi millionaire disaster capitalists, and then there are the followers (usually old people, in my experience) who think that said multi millionaire disaster capitalists speak for them.

Therefore if Jacob Rees-Mogg says Brexit will be great, it must definitely be true. Anyone who says otherwise is definitely scaremongering. Not a single one of those followers is able to explain *how* Brexit will be great. only that it will be, and when pushed the responses range from "we won, you lost, get over it", to "you're boring me now".

They're quite contradictory in that apparently life was easier before the common market, but the pain of Brexit will be worth it.


(OK, anyone who reads back will note that I voted Brexit, but have never been an Ultra. If given a second vote, I would reluctantly vote to remain, but not because I think the political union and supra-national government is a good thing, but because my god the ultra Brexiters are thick as mince and I really really don't relate to them).

Bizarrely, my German father-in-law (lived in the UK for 40 years or so) voted to leave. Apparently I'm a criminal because of how much I earn, and all those managers and bankers earning millions are all part of the problem (he thought I was underexaggerating it when I suggested that the number of people earning more than a million quid was 'a few thousand' and that the national lottery made more millionaires than the workforce).

Of course, if it all turns to tulip, his German passport will allow him freedom to work elsewhere in 27 other countries.

He didn't want to know that those millionaires basically employ people, pay tax and do good things, even if they are arseholes. And that most business owners are not even remotely millionaires. He also didn't want to know that leaving the EU badly would make some millionaires have even more millions.


Then there were these guys (not CUKers)


I tried to point out we already have British passports and driving licences. I added in some stuff about lack of recognition of UK driving licences if in the EU, but that's boring.

Then:


Not sure who we're getting out country back from?



(At no point had I said we weren't leaving, and nor do I think Brexit should be stopped.)



There has been a UKIP (yes, they still exist) thing going around detailing the pension pots of some pro-remain politicians such as Neil Kinnock, of course implying these are annual pensions rather than just pot sizes. And conveniently they omit Nigel Farage's own EU pension and his pockets stuffed from the EU.

So life was much easier then eh? I pushed him. How was life easier and how did the EU make it harder?



Right, so now it is clear who we need to get our country back from, and it isn't the EU. We need to get it back from British politicians. And from these thick-as-mince cretins.

Apparently I don't get it, I agreed and explained that this is because nobody has yet given me any kind of actual reason for why leaving the EU will be good. The responses were then 'yawn yawn yawn'. Our future has been decided by people who simply aren't interested. If a Facebook meme said it, it must be true and we must be outraged, and we must leave the EU.


In reality, these morons aren't the people who will be hurt the most by a hard Brexit. They're already too thick.

Hammond is falling into the same trap that Osborne did. The great unwashed really don't give a rats ass about the economy. My Father In Law argued with me about the GBP to EUR exchange rate, he truly believed it had been stable throughout. I said it had collapsed by about 20% since the Brexit vote. He didn't agree with me.

Me: "But it went down from about 1.3 to about 1.1"
Him: "Yeah, a couple of points. Big deal. That's nothing like 20%"

And there you have it. Pro-leave politicians won the argument with the majority, because they don't care or understand for facts and figures. And the pro-leave politicians therefore use soundbites rather like "it will be great" rather than why it will be great.

The pro-remain side loses, because facts and figures are boooooring. Especially when all remain has to offer is 'life will be the same if we remain'.

Unfortunately Brexit is like some extreme religious cult to the leave voters. They can't hear reason as they are so devoted to their cause. They are like economic and societal suicide bombers - willing to sacrifice to the 'greater good'; they believe any mantra from their high priests even when reason and logical evidence can prove that there is no 'Brexit sky fairy' to provide them the promised last.

As a remainer I'm accepting of brexit and that we will be leaving the EU, and am quite looking forward to a hard brexit, if only to prove to these idiots how wrong they are and to let those that followed this cult suffer a bit. I've said all along, I'm in a fortunate position that remain or brexit will have little impact on me (unless sterling goes the way of Venezuela!). A painful brexit will show the cult members that their leaders lied to them. The result will be a second referendum in 5-10 years and we'll be asking to rejoin the EU, but this time on full terms and none of the concessions that Maggie fought so hard to gain.

[shaunbhoy]

As a remainer I'm thick as pigtulip

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[Whorty]

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My own personal groupy is back .... I was worried there for a moment; I'd posted something and it was a day before my little stalker responded. All's good in the world though now