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    #31
    I was quite taken with what David Davis said in the Express:

    What should the Prime Minister do next?

    I want the Prime Minister to publish a particular project. This was always in my mind as a reserve parachute, what we do if we don’t get a deal.

    And basically what we do is take all of the deals that the European Union has struck with Canada, South Korea, South Africa, Switzerland, New Zealand – a whole series of them – and composite the best bits. From both sides, by the way, not just our side.

    We produce a 40-page document but then get international lawyers to turn it into a treaty so it would go from 40 pages to hundreds and hundreds of pages, if not thousands.

    So that’s on the shelf, come the autumn and if the current arrangements don’t work out, we say: “OK, we’ll retreat from that, we’re asking for a bit less, this is what we’re asking for, every single line of this has been given to somebody else in some treaty somewhere else in the world.”

    So that’s what I would call Canada plus, plus, plus.

    Because this is a thousand moving parts, it is impossible to tell you the individual way through, there will be half a dozen possibilities. People’s minds change in accordance with the pressure that’s put on them and the more high pressure the negotiation is, the more they’ll look around for other options.

    Today, I wouldn’t expect the Government to be particularly welcoming of Canada plus, plus, plus – but I think, come the autumn, we’ll be in a different position.

    Should we fear “no deal”?

    It’s not the best outcome, although people get terribly frightened about it as if it’s the end of the world – it’s nothing like that.

    You have the two extremes, you have the utopians and the dystopians. At one end you expect Mel Gibson to walk on stage, at the other it’s all fine, nothing will happen.

    If we go to WTO it will be if the negotiations break down, so there will be a degree of hostility. You might see some quite deliberate problems but they won’t last for ever, they’re likely to last months rather than years. It could be weeks or months, who knows? But not very long is the answer.

    Why do I say this? Well cast your mind back. What’s the indicator of the problem at Dover? It’s Operation Stack, lorries down the M20. The first thing that tells you is this is not a frictionless border – it gets problems for other reasons.

    Sometimes the reasons have been quite long-lasting – 74 times in 20 years. So much for a frictionless border. The last big one was 2015 when there were 31 days of Operation Stack. Nobody liked it, no one would allow it to happen if you could avoid it but we managed to get past it. That’s the first thing to understand.

    The people of Kent were quite properly in uproar but nevertheless, it didn’t bring the country to a halt.

    Secondly, if this was done deliberately it would be a massive piece of self-harm because if you block the channel port one way, you block it both ways.

    It’s a sort of continual circuit so from that point of view, it’s not likely to last very long because you are going to have French farmers in uproar.

    The next thing to bear in mind, because people worry most about Dover, is that you can move up to 40 per cent of traffic to other ports. Zeebrugge, Antwerp, Rotterdam all want more trade and they are preparing for this already.

    In this world of ours, people never seem to report Brexit good news. There was an NAO [National Audit Office] report recently that the customs software was all on target
    "Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark Twain

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      #32
      Originally posted by Cirrus View Post
      I was quite taken with what David Davis said in the Express:
      I'd give as much credence to that incompetent fraud as I would to my yapping terrier.
      WTF has he done or achieved in 2 years? Feck all.
      Theresa's plan gave him a convenient opportunity to resign and avoid the rap for incompetence that was coming his way.
      Hard Brexit now!
      #prayfornodeal

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        #33
        Originally posted by sasguru View Post
        I'd give as much credence to that incompetent fraud as I would to my yapping terrier.
        It's just that what he says sounds logical. Everybody else is saying stuff that just doesn't add up. What he has said may or may not be informed but at least it sounds so much more so than all the other vacuous nonsense everybody else is lobbing at each other. You may not agree with his point of view but you can't immediately launch an easy dialectical attack on it. Actually come to think of it what he proposes is the blatantly bleeding obvious: if you think we can't get a sweetheart deal then we need to have a best-case Plan B - we'll have to suck up friction but at least we get on the front foot with a plausible framework.
        "Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark Twain

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          #34
          Originally posted by Cirrus View Post
          It's just that what he says sounds logical. Everybody else is saying stuff that just doesn't add up. What he has said may or may not be informed but at least it sounds so much more so than all the other vacuous nonsense everybody else is lobbing at each other. You may not agree with his point of view but you can't immediately launch an easy dialectical attack on it. Actually come to think of it what he proposes is the blatantly bleeding obvious: if you think we can't get a sweetheart deal then we need to have a best-case Plan B - we'll have to suck up friction but at least we get on the front foot with a plausible framework.
          How much Swiss style freedom of movement is Rees Mogg happy with?

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            #35
            Originally posted by sal View Post
            You haven't bothered to check how much dairy products for example we are importing from the EU, have you?

            https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-and-uk-supply

            You can't instantly grow dairy caws and magic up 50% increase in the dairy industry from farms to processing facilities. Fruit orchards need decades to start producing output. We also don't have enough land with suitable climate to produce a lot of the consumed vegetables.
            No, but we can import fruit and vegetables from Africa (as we do currently) without the EU tariffs. We might have to do without Camembert for a while, but I think we'll cope (in full sarcy mode, for the benefit of NAT).
            His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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              #36
              Originally posted by sasguru View Post
              I'd give as much credence to that incompetent fraud as I would to my yapping terrier.
              Aka "The Equaliser".

              Originally posted by Mordac View Post
              No, but we can import fruit and vegetables from Africa (as we do currently) without the EU tariffs. We might have to do without Camembert for a while, but I think we'll cope (in full sarcy mode, for the benefit of NAT).
              And I'd have to cope for a while without Stllton, Cheddar and Wensleydale (the only British cheeses - very sadly- availble fairly widely in continental Europe). In this scenario - though it's lose-lose - the EU definitely lose more.
              Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Cirrus View Post
                It's just that what he says sounds logical. Everybody else is saying stuff that just doesn't add up. What he has said may or may not be informed but at least it sounds so much more so than all the other vacuous nonsense everybody else is lobbing at each other. You may not agree with his point of view but you can't immediately launch an easy dialectical attack on it. Actually come to think of it what he proposes is the blatantly bleeding obvious: if you think we can't get a sweetheart deal then we need to have a best-case Plan B - we'll have to suck up friction but at least we get on the front foot with a plausible framework.
                My response to this is "No shit Sherlock!". We need a Plan B? Who'd a thunk it!
                So what has he been doing for 2 years?
                Maybe he and his mates (Fox, Gove, Bozo) should have come up some sort of plan?
                Forget Plan B, where's Plan A FFS?
                All the Brexiters seem to know is what they don't want, so they sit on the sidelines sniping instead of coming up with a viable plan of their own.
                Hard Brexit now!
                #prayfornodeal

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                  We need a Plan B? Who'd a thunk it!
                  Maybe we could just implement the Plan B that messrs Cameron and Osborne, the initial Remainers-in-Chief, must surely have had in place?

                  “The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by shaunbhoy View Post
                    Maybe we could just implement the Plan B that messrs Cameron and Osborne, the initial Remainers-in-Chief, must surely have had in place?

                    Yeah let's blame somebody else.
                    They made the same understandable mistake many of us made: they underestimated how many complete dunderheads were in the population.
                    It's been 2 fooking years, enough time for Brexiters to come up with a plan of their own.
                    Fact is this is a cosmic fook up - Putin must have a chuckle every single day and at what he and the useful idiots (that'll be you BTW) have wrought.
                    Hard Brexit now!
                    #prayfornodeal

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                      My response to this is "No shit Sherlock!". We need a Plan B? Who'd a thunk it!
                      So what has he been doing for 2 years?
                      Maybe he and his mates (Fox, Gove, Bozo) should have come up some sort of plan?
                      Forget Plan B, where's Plan A FFS?
                      All the Brexiters seem to know is what they don't want, so they sit on the sidelines sniping instead of coming up with a viable plan of their own.
                      Most Brexiteers know, that whilst Brexit is within their circle of concern - it does not enter their circle of influence, until a vote of some kind, is held.
                      (This generally holds true for most MPs (not in cabinet) and the public)

                      Your sig states you want a hard Brexit - isn't having no plan, the quickest way to achieve that?
                      (Surely you should be happy about lack of plans, unless of course, your signature is entirely facetious?)
                      Originally posted by Old Greg
                      I admit I'm just a lazy, lying cretinous hypocrite and must be going deaf
                      ♕Keep calm & carry on♕

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