Project Fear Redux

[WTFH]

As long as we’ve stockpiled food and drugs (and blood for the vampires), then what’s the worry? All this talk of Brexit being bad is just fear mongering. We can stockpile during the transition period - maybe even start borrowing Chinese money to get the French to build and own our warehouses - then fill them with jam that has a long expiry date, and flour to make scones.

[meridian]

This is the only solution otherwise our kids will be having this same tedious discussion 30 years hence.
Hard Brexit. It's the only way.
The economic shock will be huge, 10% decline in total GDP I'd say, but it really is the only way.

Unfortunately I think even with a hard Brexit we’ll be having the discussion in 30 years’ time anyway, only from a position of “the EU is still bullying us, look what they’ve done to our economy”.

The real problem in my view is the government and the media. As many people (including leading Brexiters) have said, leaving the EU isn’t going to solve our internal problems. It won’t stop the EU being blamed for them, though...

The problem as I see it is that our government is caught between a rock and a hard place. They know that “no deal” is ruinous for the country (hence the stockpiling comments) but don’t have the majority to come out and say so bluntly to the ERG. Another fairly simple solution to the “no border in the Irish Sea” problem would be to put it to the vote in NI, but this would cost the Tories their DUP support.

And unfortunately for the rest of us, if the Tories fall then Corbyn would be no better.

[sasguru]

Unfortunately I think even with a hard Brexit we’ll be having the discussion in 30 years’ time anyway, only from a position of “the EU is still bullying us, look what they’ve done to our economy”.
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After a hard Brexit, which will be the 2nd big shock to the UK economy since 2007, I doubt that it will ever recover.
So it will be either drift on as a kind of banana republic (given how extreme our politics has become) on the edge of Europe with the pound progressively losing its value as time goes on or rejoin the EU, taking up the Euro.
A later generation will probably decide on the latter.

[darmstadt]

I think May knows that there is no deal to be made and could well explain why she put arch-Brexiteer Raab in charge of DExEU. He now has the responsibility to do all the catastrophe planning that is required for Brexit, including stockpiling food and medicine, arranging for the Highways Agency to close the M26 as a truck park, planning 20 mile tailbacks on the M20, asking the RAF to make plans for ferrying around emergency supplies to parts of the UK, the Health Department to stockpile blood and essential medicines, putting the police and armed forces on standby for civil unrest when supermarket shelves are empty and fuel is rationed in our petrol stations.

With a Brexiteer in charge of the actual Brexit planning, it won't be long before the reality of Brexit hits home and Raab will go running to Rees-Mogg and his cronies in the ERG to explain what's actually involved.

Raab now has one of the most important jobs in Government while TM the PM will walk away from this unscathed partly blaming the EU for doing exactly what they said they'd do all along which is 'negotiate under the terms and rules of all their international Treaties' and then saying "well I tried to get a good deal but no deal is better than what we were offered"..... leaving the Brexiteers to take the fall for being unable to deliver the impossible.

She's made a genius move and totally passed the buck (remember she was a Remainer before the referendum.)

[Cirrus]

Another load of Bunkum?

I don't get the shortage of food thing. A lot of fresh food comes in from Europe but we're not going to slow it down at the ports so where is the shortage logic?

Sorry Darmy but I think you're going to have to be demoted. No more Supreme Leader...

[meridian]

Project Fear Redux

the right-wing daily papers would take it as a war ultimatum.

Right on cue. Daily Mail. “War cry”.

Pathetic from a supposedly senior government minister. This is the reason why we have this division. Government and media acting together.

[meridian]

I don't get the shortage of food thing. A lot of fresh food comes in from Europe but we're not going to slow it down at the ports so where is the shortage logic?

Sorry Darmy but I think you're going to have to be demoted. No more Supreme Leader...

We might not be intending on slowing it down. However, it’s generally accepted that increasing checks by just a few minutes per truck at Dover would lead to tailbacks up the M20, choking the supply roads.

Extrapolate this across every port and you’ve got supply routes being blocked in a very short time.

We currently have a fairly “light touch” on shipments coming in from the single market. Once we leave we will be a third country, and we will be required to apply the same checks on food from Belgium as we do on food from the USA.

[Zigenare]

We might not be intending on slowing it down. However, it’s generally accepted that increasing checks by just a few minutes per truck at Dover would lead to tailbacks up the M20, choking the supply roads.

Extrapolate this across every port and you’ve got supply routes being blocked in a very short time.

We currently have a fairly “light touch” on shipments coming in from the single market. Once we leave we will be a third country, and we will be required to apply the same checks on food from Belgium as we do on food from the USA.

Trucks bringing food into the country being checked at Dover are going to choke supply roads?

Sorry old bean but if you can stop foaming from the mouth for just five minutes and explain then I'd be most grateful.

Accredited suppliers and transporters will still receive a light touch. Food will not be rotting on the quayside.

[WTFH]

Sorry old bean but if you can stop foaming from the mouth for just five minutes and explain then I'd be most grateful.

VoteLie (and many on here who supported them) said that we would “Take Back Control of our borders”, you know, that control we already had but didn’t use?
So, to demonstrate that we have control over our borders we need to stop every vehicle entering the country to make sure it’s not full of illegal immigrants coming from the EU, etc.
Isn’t that what you wanted? Or are you now going for “we need free movement of goods into the UK”?

[Cirrus]

increasing checks by just a few minutes per truck at Dover would lead to tailbacks up the M20

Last time the Southbound M20 was full of lorries, was there the slightest impact on the Northbound??

we will be required to apply the same checks on food from Belgium as we do on food from the USA.

Who will 'require' us? Who can enforce this, and in what way?