More reasons to boycott Wetherspoons

[LondonManc]

Not true. That quote came from Boris, on the Leave side. But I do understand your general point.

The trap that you’re falling into is that you’re only holding the politicians to account for the negative side. This was provided often enough but was dismissed as “Project Fear” by the Leave side, who deliberately didn’t provide any costs or negative impacts of Brexit and only promised sunlight uplands and the EU knocking our door down to do a trade deal.

Let me rephrase your sentence:
If Brexit is best for the country, great; if it isn't, then you've got to look at the Leave politicians and campaigners who promised everything would be great but didn’t warn us of the costs involved.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ld-war-7928607
Squarely at Camoron's feet that one fella.

The Leave campaign didn't use fear they had a much more positive message:

Kind of proves my point - both sides were as bad as each other, just like the Americans have had with the Clinton v Trump campaigns.

[Old Greg]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ld-war-7928607
Squarely at Camoron's feet that one fella.


Kind of proves my point - both sides were as bad as each other, just like the Americans have had with the Clinton v Trump campaigns.

Do you mean the 'demonstrate' or 'test' meaning of prove?

[Mordac]

Beside the fact that their food is appalling, Brexitspoon is now going to ban European drinks.

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/news/2018/06/trade-deals

All contractors staying away for work should definitely Boycott them

I agree, their food is worse than crap. But if they are going to promote British producers, wtf do you think is wrong with that? Do you think you'll ever get English sparkling wine or craft beer in a French bar?

[meridian]

More reasons to boycott Wetherspoons

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ld-war-7928607
Squarely at Camoron's feet that one fella.


Kind of proves my point - both sides were as bad as each other, just like the Americans have had with the Clinton v Trump campaigns.

You might want to read that again, closely this time.

Cameron says “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking?”

Johnson says “People should think very hard before they make these kinds of warnings. No, I don't believe that leaving the EU would cause World War Three to break out on the European continent.”

Mirror headline then reads “'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron”

Camoron he may be (I’m not disputing that) but he didn’t say “World War Three”, Boris did.

[Old Greg]

You might want to read that again, closely this time.

Cameron says “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking?”

Johnson says “People should think very hard before they make these kinds of warnings. No, I don't believe that leaving the EU would cause World War Three to break out on the European continent.”

Mirror headline then reads “'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron”

Camoron he may be (I’m not disputing that) but he didn’t say “World War Three”, Boris did.

Stop being so pre-post-fact. Brexit is just a gut feeling. Reality is irrelevant.

[Mordac]

Stop being so pre-post-fact. Brexit is just a gut feeling. Reality is irrelevant.

Finally, man, you've posted something I totally get...

[LondonManc]

You might want to read that again, closely this time.

Cameron says “Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking?”

Johnson says “People should think very hard before they make these kinds of warnings. No, I don't believe that leaving the EU would cause World War Three to break out on the European continent.”

Mirror headline then reads “'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron”

Camoron he may be (I’m not disputing that) but he didn’t say “World War Three”, Boris did.

Boris doubted Brexit would lead to World War Three; Cameron spread the fear about future safety. The point is still the same - Cameron was a tulip-stirring weasel; Farage dragged him down to his level and beat him with experience.

What Cameron then failed to do was go back to the EU negotiating table demanding a better deal because he had the backing of the referendum to leave if one couldn't be secured. The fluffing pussy.

[meridian]

Boris doubted Brexit would lead to World War Three; Cameron spread the fear about future safety. The point is still the same - Cameron was a tulip-stirring weasel; Farage dragged him down to his level and beat him with experience.

The point is not the same. Cameron might have been attempting to spread fear about future safety, but he did not say “World War Three”, which you said he did.

Remain often says that the bus promised £350 million to the NHS, when it did not.

Both are implications that the parties involved wanted the public to extrapolate from, but if you are going to say that one point is the same then you need to be consistent and say that the other is also, or be consistent and admit that neither is.

Agreed that both are tulip-stirring weasels, though.

What Cameron then failed to do was go back to the EU negotiating table demanding a better deal because he had the backing of the referendum to leave if one couldn't be secured. The fluffing pussy.

There is no negotiating table, we already have/had the best deal out of all the EU member states. We’re not in Schengen, not in the Euro, have a massive rebate, can control immigration but chose not to, have opt-outs on (eg) new countries like Turkey joining (even though we were the country most supporting their application at the time), etc

I agree though with your underlying premise that Cameron had the backing of the referendum to effect change, I just disagree that it is the fault of the EU. It’s (imo) the U.K. government that needs to effect changes to address the inequalities internally.

What actual “better deal” do you think was required?

[darmstadt]

I always think of Wetherspoons as sticky carpet pubs...

[Old Greg]

I liked the spirit of the post and I didn't vote Brexit and am neither for or against Brexit. That part I've made clear on here ever since the referendum in 2016.

I'm pro-Britain but not in the rabid Tommy Robinson way. I want what's best for the country, simple as that. I want to be proud of our country but it's rapidly turning to tulip. If Brexit is best for the country, great; if it isn't, then you've got to look at the politicians who failed to educate the voting masses as to why it isn't. Unfortunately they were too busy giving the BS warning that Brexit would cause World War 3.

Boris doubted Brexit would lead to World War Three; Cameron spread the fear about future safety. The point is still the same - Cameron was a tulip-stirring weasel; Farage dragged him down to his level and beat him with experience.

What Cameron then failed to do was go back to the EU negotiating table demanding a better deal because he had the backing of the referendum to leave if one couldn't be secured. The fluffing pussy.

If you started to set a grip on facts, you could then try to use them to shape your world view. Currently you have it the wrong way round.