Where’s the border this week?

[The_Equalizer]

I think for Ulster it is true, but for NI it is too close to call.

In the 2011 census it was 42% Protestant to 41% Catholic, with the Protestant rate in decline while the Catholic rate was increasing rapidly.

Hence the 'not quite true' bit. Moreover, it's a little more complicated that just simply Catholic = pro EU and United Ireland. A quick glance over the Citizenship and Identity in Wikipedia shows a far more complicated picture:

Northern Ireland - Wiki

Still it's nice to see such concern from the contributors of CUK for the folk of NI.

[The_Equalizer]

Well it is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster..._sub-divisions



In terms of 'So what', my comment was in relation to 'Ulster says No', so not much of a 'So what' really, just a passing comment.

Ah, but you and I know that by Ulster you meant Northern Ireland hence the 'Ulster says no' comment.

[Old Greg]

Hence the 'not quite true' bit. Moreover, it's a little more complicated that just simply Catholic = pro EU and United Ireland. A quick glance over the Citizenship and Identity in Wikipedia shows a far more complicated picture:

Northern Ireland - Wiki

Still it's nice to see such concern from the contributors of CUK for the folk of NI.

What do you mean 'not quite true'? In terms of the facts, it is clearly true that there are more Roman Catholics than Protestants in Ulster. See my previous post.

In terms of the implications of the facts, I would broadly agree with you. It is complicated.

[Old Greg]

Ah, but you and I know that by Ulster you meant Northern Ireland hence the 'Ulster says no' comment.

No I didn't mean Northern Ireland. Ulster is nine counties. I wouldn't incorrectly use the term Ulster to refer to Northern Ireland. It's a clear factual error.

[WTFH]

In terms of 'So what', my comment was in relation to 'Ulster says No', so not much of a 'So what' really, just a passing comment.

My "Ulster says no" comment was more about the DUP (that would be the political party that the Tories bought for £1.5b to get them a majority) will reject, i.e. say no to, any Brexit deal that does not satisfy them

The whole thing is a hilarious shambles. But a scary one.

[Old Greg]

My "Ulster says no" comment was more about the DUP (that would be the political party that the Tories bought for £1.5b to get them a majority) will reject, i.e. say no to, any Brexit deal that does not satisfy them

The whole thing is a hilarious shambles. But a scary one.

Yes, I know. I was just having a gentle knock at the Unionist fiction that Northern Ireland = Ulster.

[The_Equalizer]

What do you mean 'not quite true'? In terms of the facts, it is clearly true that there are more Roman Catholics than Protestants in Ulster. See my previous post.

In terms of the implications of the facts, I would broadly agree with you. It is complicated.

As I'm sure you know, Ulster was used as the defacto term for NI for a long time (at least by Unionists) although it's been dropped to be replaced by Northern Ireland. Republicans haven't yet to even utter the words Northern Ireland. The DUP do worry about Ulster, but just not the nine country version.

[Eirikur]

All areas that voted remain should be given dual EU and UK memberships, there will be border checks around each area brexit voters will be refused in.

[The_Equalizer]

My "Ulster says no" comment was more about the DUP (that would be the political party that the Tories bought for £1.5b to get them a majority) will reject, i.e. say no to, any Brexit deal that does not satisfy them

The whole thing is a hilarious shambles. But a scary one.

I'm quite sure it'll not be anywhere as near as bad as it's been made out to be.

[Old Greg]

As I'm sure you know, Ulster was used as the defacto term for NI for a long time (at least by Unionists) although it's been dropped to be replaced by Northern Ireland. Republicans haven't yet to even utter the words Northern Ireland. The DUP do worry about Ulster, but just not the nine country version.

When you say that Ulster is the 'defacto term for NI (at least for Unionists)', that really means that Ulster is a term that is incorrectly used by some Unionists for political / propaganda purposes. Just as Republicans use the term 'six counties' for political / propaganda purposes. Republicans do not use the term 'Northern Ireland'. Unionists do not correctly use the term 'Ulster'.

The correct terminologies are:

Northern Ireland for the province of the UK
Ulster for nine northern Counties of the island of Ireland

And a majority of people in Ulster are Roman Catholic.

It only becomes difficult, when people misuse terminology for political purposes. I get equally frustrated by permie colleagues in Dublin who 'correct' my documentation from 'the UK' to 'Northern Ireland and the UK'. The feckers accuse me of cultural imperialism, but they usually make the same mistake later on so I call them West Brits.