Brexiteers won the vote but lost the war

[WTFH]

To vote for isolating the UK from the EU and to enforce borders between the UK and Ireland means choosing to risk restarting The Troubles.

You can word what brexiters voted for in whatever way you want, twisting meanings etc, or saying that you didn't vote for a hard brexit, or didn't vote to restrict freedom of movement, or whatever. Twisting words to avoid accepting responsibility is a very Brexity thing to do.

Restarting The Troubles is NOT something that I think should be respected and I will argue that case even if I am in the democratic minority who think it is a bad idea.

[Eirikur]

but, but, restarting the troubles wasn't on the side of the bus, so it can't be true

[Bean]

You’ve already had the answer, it was the referendum. Asking the questions again won’t change it.

“We all knew what we were voting for”, apparently.

- You knew that voting Leave meant leaving the SM and CU, apparently
- You knew that “taking control of our borders” meant immigration border controls of some sort
- You knew that “making our own trade deals” meant regulatory misalignment between the U.K. and the EU, leading to customs controls
- You knew (but didn’t care) that there are U.K. and Irish citizens that are, rightly or wrongly, vehemently against any form of border, controlled or otherwise, between Ireland and NI.

There’s been a lot of good work by good people to get the GFA through to resolve these issues over the past 50 years. Rather than sorting it out in the open beforehand though, you’re hiding behind “the will of the people”.


If you’re going to go down the route of asking those pedantic questions every time, then try applying them to everything else. Customs Union? Single Market? Immigration? Sovereignty? You know as well as we do that none of these, including the Troubles, were specifically on a ballot paper so spare us the fake indignation and man up to the consequences of your vote.

Someone previously banned for racist postings gave an answer, but i'm interested in answers to my questions from the person who first posted about voting for restarting the Troubles, WTFH. That's why I restated the questions to them.

Ah yes, so it's just ridiculous hyperbole from you and WTFH. No fake indignation here, but it's interesting what you & WTFH are equivocating with voting leave in the democratic referendum nowadays

The vote was to leave the EU, that's it - and no matter how you snowflakes try to dress it up - it was not a vote for XYZ (especially restarting the Troubles)

[Bean]

To vote for isolating the UK from the EU and to enforce borders between the UK and Ireland means choosing to risk restarting The Troubles.

You can word what brexiters voted for in whatever way you want, twisting meanings etc, or saying that you didn't vote for a hard brexit, or didn't vote to restrict freedom of movement, or whatever. Twisting words to avoid accepting responsibility is a very Brexity thing to do.

Restarting The Troubles is NOT something that I think should be respected and I will argue that case even if I am in the democratic minority who think it is a bad idea.

Wait, so now it's only a risk of restarting the Troubles?

Originally it was a vote to restart the Troubles?

You can word it whatever way you want, but it doesn't make it true.

Anyway, i'll stop responding to your ridiculous hyperbole and possibly wait until you've made up your mind about what the vote was for eh?

[WTFH]

You can word it whatever way you want, but it doesn't make it true.

You're saying that the border issue in Ireland is not currently igniting tensions and is a very real risk of restarting the troubles?

But since you don't even remember why you voted the way you do, it's going to be tough to try to explain facts to you.

You were challenged on it before and as is your wont, went noticeably silent:
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2501849

[meridian]

The vote was to leave the EU, that's it - and no matter how you snowflakes try to dress it up - it was not a vote for XYZ (especially restarting the Troubles)

We’ve finally got there. Yes, you are correct - it was a vote to leave the EU, and no more.

Norway’s not in the EU. They accept FoM, pay for access to the SM, implement most of the EU rules without a say in their making, and accept the jurisdiction of an EU court over those rules.

So let’s not have any crying from Brexiters if that’s what we get, hey?

[Bean]

We’ve finally got there. Yes, you are correct - it was a vote to leave the EU, and no more.

Norway’s not in the EU. They accept FoM, pay for access to the SM, implement most of the EU rules without a say in their making, and accept the jurisdiction of an EU court over those rules.

So let’s not have any crying from Brexiters if that’s what we get, hey?

Let's play a game and see if you can explain that to WTFH and get them to agree with you and I, that the WTFH assertion, that voting to leave in the referendum is any way 'a vote to restart the Troubles' or 'a risk of restarting the Troubles' - is rubbish.

One of you is wrong

[Bean]

You're saying that the border issue in Ireland is not currently igniting tensions and is a very real risk of restarting the troubles?

But since you don't even remember why you voted the way you do, it's going to be tough to try to explain facts to you.

You were challenged on it before and as is your wont, went noticeably silent:
https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2501849

If you kept on scrolling, you would find another post by myself, in which I reply to those comments.

Still, keep going - it's amusing

It's a 'very real risk' now, instead of 'a vote for'.....

[WTFH]

Still no answer from Bean, instead he tries to misdirect.

https://www.ft.com/content/8698fc30-...3-9060cb1e5f44

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i...rthern-ireland

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/01...s-irish-border

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/...border/546887/
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/08/56290...-u-k-leaves-e-

[meridian]

Brexiteers won the vote but lost the war

Let's play a game and see if you can explain that to WTFH and get them to agree with you and I, that the WTFH assertion, that voting to leave in the referendum is any way 'a vote to restart the Troubles' or 'a risk of restarting the Troubles' - is rubbish.

One of you is wrong

I think perhaps you’re a little autistic, so I’m sorry for that, and for having to explain it more clearly to you.

“A vote to do x” is not, as you are trying to assert, a literal statement. I’m sure you must get very upset during general elections at statements such as “a vote for the Tories is a vote for austerity” because, literally, that is not the case.

Figuratively though, votes have consequences. So while you might not have _literally_ voted for something, the outcome of your vote has consequences that, figuratively, you have voted for.

As for “risk of restarting the Troubles”, anyone with any interest in the island of Ireland can see that that is indeed the case.