Foreign meanies

[Mordac]

In trade terms you are correct, the EU doesn't need to provide a deal to the UK. They are 27 markets losing 1 customer. The UK is one market losing 27 customers.

And we run a trade deficit with most of them. Just saying...

[woohoo]

In trade terms you are correct, the EU doesn't need to provide a deal to the UK. They are 27 markets losing 1 customer. The UK is one market losing 27 customers.

Hah, you think trade will just stop.

[woohoo]

This loophole is entirely the responsibility and choosing of the UK government and stupid local authorities who for unknown reason did not implement the EU regulations.

It does not work the same way in other EU countries.

I have worked in several EU countries and I can tell you the criteria.

Entry up to three months, you must have enough money to support yourself (even for a holiday).

If you want to stay more than three months you must register with the local authority or police.

You must open a bank account and show that you have sufficient funds to support yourself.

You must have job that pays enough to support you for accommodation, food etc; you cannot claim benefits.

As a condition of staying in that country, you must declare that you will not claim any benefits.

When I worked in Germany, they required a £3k deposit to make sure I paid tax at the end of the contract along with a declaration that I will not claim benefits at the end.

The UK is sloppy and just blames the EU

Nonsense.

[Paddy]

Nonsense.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...iming-benefits

The German government has approved a draft bill intended to dramatically reduce European Union citizens’ access to the country’s social welfare system.

Under the proposed law, EU citizens would be forbidden from drawing benefits for their first five years in Germany.

https://www.expatica.com/de/visas-an...ny_108794.html

Mandatory registration in Germany

Registering your address in Germany
Within one or two weeks of moving into permanent accommodation (depending on the German state), you must register your address in Germany with the police at the local residents' registration office of the town hall (Einwohnermeldeamt or Bürgeramt)). Registration in Germany is a rule that applies to everyone, even German nationals.

You will need to take:

your passport or ID card;
a copy of the lease or rental agreement for your accommodation (if applicable);
a completed registration form (Anmeldeformular) countersigned by the landlord, which you can get from your local registration office or newsagents, or download from your area's local government site.

Once you've registered your residence in Germany, give the confirmation of the residency (Anmeldebestätigung) part of the form to your landlord. Any further change of address should also be registered.

De-registration isn’t required when you move to a different city within Germany, but if you leave Germany you must de-register (Abmeldung) three to four weeks before leaving.

Certificate of residence in Germany
While you already have the right of residence by EU law, you still have to apply for a certificate of residence in Germany within the first three months of your stay. You can apply at the Einwohnermeldeamt (Residence Registration Office) or the Ausländerbehörde (Foreign National's Authority) where you live.

As well as your passport or ID, you'll need to take along supporting documentation. Depending on your own circumstances, this may include:

An employment contract/offer of a job
Registration on trade register/membership of a professional body
Proof of receipt of a pension, if you're retired
Proof of health insurance
Proof of monthly earnings, if you're self-employed
Marriage and birth certificates (if applicable).

The ‘right of residence' certificate lasts indefinitely and only needs to be renewed if you change your passport or ID number at some point in the future.

The certificate of residence in Germany may be limited to the duration of, say, your employment but can be extended. Note that it's only valid when shown with your ID or passport, which you should carry around. If you change your status during the validity of the certificate, you can change the status

You can Goolge the rest...

[meridian]

Foreign meanies

Hah, you think trade will just stop.

No, trade won't stop. Slow down with tariff and non tariff barriers probably. Depends entirely on what "no deal" we get though, and how prepared we are for it (new customs halls, Open Skies agreements, etc).

Trade also includes services, of course. Do you think those will just continue as normal?

[woohoo]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...iming-benefits


https://www.expatica.com/de/visas-an...ny_108794.html



You can Goolge the rest...

Nonsense again. Nothing to do about benefits.

Anyone can get a low paying job. There are people in Poland etc, that will take cash from a polish person and set them up with a job in the UK.

In the UK if the job is low paying you are entitled to benefits. It's not legal to discriminate between a uk or eu citizen.

Now you could change benefits for all and make it harder for everyone to get benefits but that won't happen in this country.

Posting crap about having to register with the police is side tracking.

[woohoo]

[QUOTE=meridian;2498895]No, trade won't stop. Slow down with tariff and non tariff barriers probably. Depends entirely on what "no deal" we get though, and how prepared we are for it (new customs halls, Open Skies agreements, etc).

Trade also includes services, of course. Do you think those will just continue as normal?[/QUOTE

Services are world class in this country, if the eu want to make it more difficult to sell services from the UK then they will put themselves at a competitive disadvantage.

Deals will be done, regardless of the propaganda business wants to sell to the uk. How its marketed well that's another thing but trade will continue.

[darmstadt]

Nonsense again. Nothing to do about benefits.

Anyone can get a low paying job. There are people in Poland etc, that will take cash from a polish person and set them up with a job in the UK.

In the UK if the job is low paying you are entitled to benefits. It's not legal to discriminate between a uk or eu citizen.

Now you could change benefits for all and make it harder for everyone to get benefits but that won't happen in this country.

Posting crap about having to register with the police is side tracking.

Can't see anything about registering with the police

[meridian]

[QUOTE=woohoo;2498908]

Services are world class in this country, if the eu want to make it more difficult to sell services from the UK then they will put themselves at a competitive disadvantage.

Deals will be done, regardless of the propaganda business wants to sell to the uk. How its marketed well that's another thing but trade will continue.

There you go again, blaming the EU. The EU isn't making it more difficult, the UK is by leaving. Which comes back to the original point, which is that the EU doesn't have to form trade deals with the UK - but by not doing so they are not "making it more difficult" or "punishing" the UK, they are simply exercising their right not to enter into a deal if they don't want to.

(And by "deals" here I mean EU - UK level trade agreements, not B2B deals. Those B2B deals will still take place, but under whatever framework is finally agreed and subject to whatever tariffs, if any, apply under the new regime)

[SueEllen]

Interesting - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...r-eu-nationals