The more sinister side of Brexit

[simondolan]

The youth actually want things like affordable decent housing so they don't have to live with their parents into their 30s, a working NHS, and jobs with prospects and decent pay e.g. ones that aren't on zero hours contracts. You forget that not all 18-25 years olds go to university, and even out of the nearly 50% that start not all of them finish.

So, the "youth" just want a decent house they can afford, decent healthcare whenever they want it, and a job with prospects and decent pay. Lets assume that's pretty much what every citizen would want. Wanting something doesn't entitle you to anything. Only EARNING it does. Otherwise, its simply someone else paying for it for you, and therein lies the slippery slope. Who gets decide that a "want" should be paid for by your neighbour?

[sasguru]

So, the "youth" just want a decent house they can afford, decent healthcare whenever they want it, and a job with prospects and decent pay. Lets assume that's pretty much what every citizen would want. Wanting something doesn't entitle you to anything. Only EARNING it does. Otherwise, its simply someone else paying for it for you, and therein lies the slippery slope. Who gets decide that a "want" should be paid for by your neighbour?

Completely agree.
According to some on this thread, though, Brexiters were motivated by spite at what they didn't have.
You may be right that their miserable existence isn't going to change much either way, but the odds are they'll become worse.
Simply because the foreign manufacturers will fook off out of here at the merest whiff of tariffs.

[BlasterBates]

Completely agree.
According to some on this thread, though, Brexiters were motivated by spite at what they didn't have.
You may be right that their miserable existence isn't going to change much either way, but the odds are they'll become worse.
Simply because the foreign manufacturers will fook off out of here at the merest whiff of tariffs.

Britain will end up half stuck out of the EU i.e. in the same position it was before the referendum but without any say. This is in the words of prominent Brexiteers such as Nigel Farage and Jacob-Rees Mogg worse than being in the EU. This means in the long term Brexiteers will simply be more miserable and unhappy than they were before the referendum. What will compound their misery is that UK government ministers won't be stopping their regular humiliating visits to Brussels after Brexit, they will continue and the sight of EU bureaucrats scoffing and sneering at the Secretary State for EU relations will be happening every few months. For this reason they may not regret their decision as they will still hate the EU but they will regret the fact that the referendum took place.

[SueEllen]

So, the "youth" just want a decent house they can afford, decent healthcare whenever they want it, and a job with prospects and decent pay. Lets assume that's pretty much what every citizen would want. Wanting something doesn't entitle you to anything. Only EARNING it does.

I actually didn't say that you decided to interpret it like that. And it clearly shows how out of touch you are as a millionaire.

Otherwise, its simply someone else paying for it for you, and therein lies the slippery slope. Who gets decide that a "want" should be paid for by your neighbour?

One of the problems facing people ever hard they work is that they can't afford to rent places let alone buy due to the UK not building enough housing. In regards to UK healthcare have a look at the complaints on this forum from people clearly in the top 5% of UK earners.

[northernladyuk]

So, the "youth" just want a decent house they can afford, decent healthcare whenever they want it, and a job with prospects and decent pay. Lets assume that's pretty much what every citizen would want. Wanting something doesn't entitle you to anything. Only EARNING it does. Otherwise, its simply someone else paying for it for you, and therein lies the slippery slope. Who gets decide that a "want" should be paid for by your neighbour?

Do you even understand what is meant by decent affordable housing?

[SueEllen]

Do you even understand what is meant by decent affordable housing?

Don't bother.

The problem with some millionaires is unless they also do charity work where they go into people's houses they don't see the poor conditions some people live in.

[northernladyuk]

I actually didn't say that you decided to interpret it like that. And it clearly shows how out of touch you are as a millionaire.



One of the problems facing people ever hard they work is that they can't afford to rent places let alone buy due to the UK not building enough housing. In regards to UK healthcare have a look at the complaints on this forum from people clearly in the top 5% of UK earners.

Plenty of lampposts around Susie for when voters realise the have been duped.

[simondolan]

I actually didn't say that you decided to interpret it like that. And it clearly shows how out of touch you are as a millionaire.



One of the problems facing people ever hard they work is that they can't afford to rent places let alone buy due to the UK not building enough housing. In regards to UK healthcare have a look at the complaints on this forum from people clearly in the top 5% of UK earners.

What bit of this:

"The youth actually want things like affordable decent housing so they don't have to live with their parents into their 30s, a working NHS, and jobs with prospects and decent pay " did I misinterpret?

Out of touch - probably. No, definitely, however the logic I was arguing applies doesn't it?

[sasguru]

So, the "youth" just want a decent house they can afford, decent healthcare whenever they want it, and a job with prospects and decent pay. Lets assume that's pretty much what every citizen would want. Wanting something doesn't entitle you to anything. Only EARNING it does. Otherwise, its simply someone else paying for it for you, and therein lies the slippery slope. Who gets decide that a "want" should be paid for by your neighbour?

What bit of this:

"The youth actually want things like affordable decent housing so they don't have to live with their parents into their 30s, a working NHS, and jobs with prospects and decent pay " did I misinterpret?

Out of touch - probably. No, definitely, however the logic I was arguing applies doesn't it?

Your error in logic is assuming that the youth want all that stuff for free.
I think they're willing to work for it, but you can be very successful and hard working and not afford a house in the SE.
If you substitute "youth" with "Brexiters" though you're spot on, according to some on here.

[northernladyuk]

What bit of this:

"The youth actually want things like affordable decent housing so they don't have to live with their parents into their 30s, a working NHS, and jobs with prospects and decent pay " did I misinterpret?

Out of touch - probably. No, definitely, however the logic I was arguing applies doesn't it?

Susie is stating a desire for a society in which decent housing is affordable, presumably to all those of moderate ability who are prepared to work had for a living. Saying they need to earn it does not address the state of the market.