Brexit rebellion building in Parliament

[Old Greg]

Loving it...

So its the Norwegian model after all ?

Farage is going to go ******* ballistic

In all honesty... Given it was almost a draw... Its the best possible move at this point. You can't just ignore 16 million people anymore than you can ignore 17 million.

EDIT: Saying this, the article still goes on about a point based immigration system while also talking about there still being something looking like freedom of movement. So not sure where that is going....

There needs to be:

1 Recognition of the clear democratic mandate
2 Weasel words about the intention to honour the mandate
3 A real or fake crisis
4 Maintenance of the status quo, badged as a new model of association with the EU.

[AtW]

It's treason then

[dx4100]

Loving it...

So its the Norwegian model after all ?

Farage is going to go ******* ballistic

In all honesty... Given it was almost a draw... Its the best possible move at this point. You can't just ignore 16 million people anymore than you can ignore 17 million.

EDIT: Saying this, the article still goes on about a point based immigration system while also talking about there still being something looking like freedom of movement. So not sure where that is going....

[SueEllen]

Boris turns Bremainer

Johnson vows EU cooperation after referendum result - BBC News

FFS man!

[TestMangler]

Boris turns Bremainer

Johnson vows EU cooperation after referendum result - BBC News

[scooterscot]

Oh feck off and stop deluding yourself.

You are still in denial. Your glorious leader doesn't have half the clout you think she does. Your arrogance and self-importance does nothing except give a load of us a bloody good laugh.

Fact: England voted to leave. So did Wales. Scotland voted to stay.

I have no problem with Scotland wanting to leave the UK and join Europe. If that's what you want then do it, but stop trying to threaten a country with far more voters who gave a clear mandate to leave. There are a whole host of things the UK parliament could do to feck over Scotland but it's not that childish.

And I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you for your pathetic insecurity.

The only person that is offended by your hate is yourself as others will not accept it. Not to mention your inability to articulate a response.

Your leaders have abdicated and are not to be found. Progressive talk is only coming from Nicola Sturgeon.

[JPC]

Oh feck off and stop deluding yourself.

You are still in denial. Your glorious leader doesn't have half the clout you think she does. Your arrogance and self-importance does nothing except give a load of us a bloody good laugh.

Fact: England voted to leave. So did Wales. Scotland voted to stay.

I have no problem with Scotland wanting to leave the UK and join Europe. If that's what you want then do it, but stop trying to threaten a country with far more voters who gave a clear mandate to leave. There are a whole host of things the UK parliament could do to feck over Scotland but it's not that childish.

And I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you for your pathetic insecurity.

Well said, thankyou

[jamesbrown]

Law forum, believe it or not, I have law degree....

People that know more than me, but yeah, it's all theorising, guess they're getting off on the legal niceties....

Basically about Art.48 which is how Greenland left the EU, which is basically an amendment of EU membership, it would need to be ratified by all the 28 countries of the EU and the European Parliament. But that would be the case for a Brexit deal under Article 50 anyway, so both have the same level of difficulty.

There is precedent though, though Art 48 isn't 'leaving' in my short span of trying to read the thing without falling asleep.

Constitutional lawyers, as with all lawyers, make their money by over-complicating things and disagreeing with each other. However, this isn't a point of detail. It's about how you ignore a referendum result without destroying our democracy. I understand that some (remainers) will want to focus on the details (Stage 2 ), but the result is going to lead inexorably to our departure, under terms to be agreed.

[jamesbrown]

FPTP is a funny thing. If only one party seeks explicitly to stay in the EU the Brexit vote gets split.

Think about that for a minute. The Lib Dems aren't going to command a majority, and they aren't going to propose that everyone votes for another party (). The SNP hold all of the seats in Scotland, give or take. UKIP will be off in a corner kicking themselves, but I think we know their position ().

Which leaves Labour. The party that came out of this referendum with the biggest kicking of all. Most of their leadership now seem to support changes to freedom of movement.

I follow your argument, in principle, but, as we've seen from both sides of this EU campaign, principles don't count for much.

The new Tory PM isn't going to propose a new GE unless it's obviously winnable. But I do propose that it will be obviously winnable.

[GB9]

Subset of denial.

One is amused.