Brexit rebellion building in Parliament

[scooterscot]

I think my response was very articulate. You have said nothing. .

You're obviously still angry and spiteful. For the sake of everyone here please just move on to stage 3. Preferably stage 4.

PS: If you can find one post where I've suggested the vote should not count I'll eat my smelly socks.

[FatLazyContractor]

PS: If you can find one post where I've suggested the vote should not count I'll eat my smelly socks.

If the vote is a valid one, then I will smell MF's socks.

[eek]

The problem is actually very simple.

The EU requires free movement of people

We want free movement of labour.

The problem is that for the rest of the EU free movement of people is just free movement of labour as we are the only people stupid enough to not set rules saying that you have to contributor to the benefits system before receiving payments from it.

[GB9]

What the hell did everyone expect?

We said all along we would continue to trade. Only the petty Remain campaign claimed we would become insular and pull up the draw bridge. Strangely that isn't going to happen.

Trade isn't going to cease, despite the doom mongers claims. We pointed out the Germans would still want to trade with us and guess what? They do!

The main thing we will regain is sovereignty and self determination.

The only thing he has said that I disagree with is a second referendum for Scotland. Sturgeon clearly has the appetite and they voted to stay in the EU so should be given a chance to do so.

[GB9]

You're obviously still angry and spiteful. For the sake of everyone here please just move on to stage 3. Preferably stage 4.

PS: If you can find one post where I've suggested the vote should not count I'll eat my smelly socks.

I'm not on the losing side so I'm not angry. You clearly are.

You have continually pointed our that it wasn't a majority of the electorate etc. etc. Ad lib to fade. It was a vote. It counts.

I have stated time and again that Scotland should be given a chance to go it's own way as it clearly voted differently to England and Wales. I thought you might agree with this!

The clear difference is that I would not want to impose on Scotland something they clearly didn't vote for. You need to accept that England and Wales do want it.

[barrydidit]

The problem is that for the rest of the EU free movement of people is just free movement of labour as we are the only people stupid enough to not set rules saying that you have to contributor to the benefits system before receiving payments from it.

A point made by Manfred the German down my local a few years ago. Not sure what he thinks now because he got barred for likening the landlords Mrs to Miss Piggy and then started shouting the odds about Nazis and free speach, but anyway..

What confused me at the time, and still does now, is that if that is indeed the case, why the feck hasn't anybody thought to do it? There'd be millions of votes in it, and it'd save a bunch of cash not paying child benefit to kids in Romania etc?

[dx4100]

The main thing we will regain is sovereignty and self determination.

Or least an increased illusion of it...

We haven't stopped being economically reliable on the EU and we won't.... We just now have no say over it and quite possibly have sent the whole of the EU into a possible recession.

If we can retain freedom of movement I think that will be a good thing and will appease me. And the outters can have their illusion of self determination.

[original PM]

One of the main reasons i voted out was because I wanted to not have to care about what a bunch of seemingly untouchable people based 1000's of miles from where I live had to say about the way the I should act.

Nobody said we do not want to trade - that is just stupid and unless anyone has a genuine reason why not then lets continue under the current trade agreements - they must work for everyone or else surely the EU would not have allowed them - however if any of the countries in the EU wish to renegotiate a different trade deal with the UK then we should certainly talk to them to come to a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Same for the movement of labour - I did not vote to stop 'foreigners coming into our country and taking our jobs' I voted to try and stem the movement of people who for whatever reason were unable to support themselves or integrate into UK society.

I think what this vote clearly showed is that the current champagne socialist Labour party are very very far out of touch with their supposed voters - the Labour party need to understand that they should actually be representing you white van man with a tattoo who likes a few beers and a kebab - but who also is happily married with 2 kids and is trying to do an honest job earning an honest living and is struggling because his home town is constantly having increased pressure put on it by the movement of people.

Those who eat mung bean quiche and drink moccachoccachino's who campaign for this but then go and live in their little cottage in the Cotswolds and so never see the impact of what they vote for to try and appease the sense of guilt they have for living off daddy's capitalist earned money need to understand that labour is not the party for them - they need to form their own party which campaigns for equal rights for everyone and screw the large corporations.

Also Sturgeon - surely you head says no but your nuts say go?

[bobspud]

His language is astounding. Did he get a visit from Mi5 over the weekend on queenies orders?

I think he's doing something that the remaining camp should take a lesson from.

Namely looking for the middle ground. He knows what he wants but he's now focusing on what will not tear the party and 50% of the country apart. I still think there is time to get further away from this initial stance but you don't negotiate from the widest margin you try and get a conciliatory position.

Of cource if Junkers tries to get silly, just to stem the tide of others wanting to flee it will turn out different.

But after all your moaning it might just be keep calm and carry on...

[GB9]

Or least an increased illusion of it...

We haven't stopped being economically reliable on the EU and we won't.... We just now have no say over it and quite possibly

If we can retain freedom of movement I think that will be a good thing and will appease me. And the outters can have their illusion of self determination.

Fine, if that keeps everyone happy.

I don't believe we had any say inside at all though. We generally wanted something different to the other 27. I'm sure most of the EU is delighted to see us leave.