PCG IR35Workshop - Bristol monday - anyone going?

[kingcook]

Would be worth going but a bit to far away for me. Hopefully they'll do one near Manchester soon!

[BolshieBastard]

I saw you at the last PCG IR35 conference.. Easy to spot you.....

This is the effect pcg has on me to. They ****ed up AWR, they ****ed up with the recent IR35 revamp, they've done **** all to address handcuff clauses agents foster on us etc etc. In fact, they have the kiss of death on anything they get involved with.

[malvolio]

This is the effect pcg has on me to. They ****ed up AWR, they ****ed up with the recent IR35 revamp, they've done **** all to address handcuff clauses agents foster on us etc etc. In fact, they have the kiss of death on anything they get involved with.

They had nothing to do with AWR, not that it has had any effect on us contractors anyway: if HMG chooses to ignore all the input to the consultation, there's not a lot you can do. Without PCG, though, you wouldn't even have had the qualification that genuine businesses are out of scope.

Ditto the IR35 revamp (or, to be precise, the selection of potential cases criteria, which is all it was ever going to be). HMRC agreed to a range of proposals, then totally ignored them all in favour of their own immature, ill-informed and irrelevant tests. Now they're making them compulsory though the Alexander review. Go figure

Handcuff clauses can be dealt with, perfectly easily. That's about contract negotiation, not PCG or anyone else. Read Roger Egos's paper on the subject.

So let's at least get the target right. The kiss of death is not PCG failing any more than it is REC or Kate Cotterel, it's an entrenched Civil Service in the Treasury and HMRC refusing to accept that the world of master/slave has moved on and they need to be defending a wholly different business model. And for that you can blame Osborne and Cable in roughly equal measure.

And if you think you can do a better job than the PCG in this political environment, the answer is dead simple. You start with a few hundred angry people willing to put up £50...

[bobspud]

Bugger!
I'd have gone to this but I'm down near MK tomorrow as I start my new job...

Good luck to those who attend it will open your eyes to say the least. I recommend a jaunt to the cowshed afterwards.

Good steak well cooked.

The Cowshed - Home

[saptastic]

They had nothing to do with AWR, not that it has had any effect on us contractors anyway: if HMG chooses to ignore all the input to the consultation, there's not a lot you can do. Without PCG, though, you wouldn't even have had the qualification that genuine businesses are out of scope.

Ditto the IR35 revamp (or, to be precise, the selection of potential cases criteria, which is all it was ever going to be). HMRC agreed to a range of proposals, then totally ignored them all in favour of their own immature, ill-informed and irrelevant tests. Now they're making them compulsory though the Alexander review. Go figure

Handcuff clauses can be dealt with, perfectly easily. That's about contract negotiation, not PCG or anyone else. Read Roger Egos's paper on the subject.

So let's at least get the target right. The kiss of death is not PCG failing any more than it is REC or Kate Cotterel, it's an entrenched Civil Service in the Treasury and HMRC refusing to accept that the world of master/slave has moved on and they need to be defending a wholly different business model. And for that you can blame Osborne and Cable in roughly equal measure.

And if you think you can do a better job than the PCG in this political environment, the answer is dead simple. You start with a few hundred angry people willing to put up £50...

Essentially you are saying that the PCG has had no influence on the Treasury or HMRC regarding these key policies?

[psychocandy]

Bummer. Can't go now. Malvy - would be good if you could get hold of the slides....

[malvolio]

Bummer. Can't go now. Malvy - would be good if you could get hold of the slides....

Should get soft copies in the next day or so, will put them on the PCG RLM Forum when I do.

Funny how we always get the biggest turnout when the subject is IR35 and tax management...


OK, done now. You'll have to brave the new forums to find them! Enjoy...