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    Invalid enquiries and closure notices

    HMRC have made errors in the way they have opened enquiries. If this has happened to you then it potentially gives you individual grounds for appealing closure notices.

    Bottom line is it could save you tens of thousands of pounds. It's therefore in your own interest to check.

    However the devil is in the detail. Let's look at the process they should have followed, and to make it simple we'll use a specific tax year 2003/4.

    You would have filed your self-assessment for 2003/4 in January 2005. HMRC then have 12 months in which to open an enquiry ie. up until January 2006. If they missed the cut-off date then they would have had to open the enquiry under discovery.

    But they've made mistakes. Enquiries have been sent to the wrong address. Enquiries have been opened late without citing discovery. Closure Notices have been issued where no prior enquiry had ever been opened.

    Now let's come to the wording of the actual enquiry letter. At the very least the letter should say they are opening enquiries. It may also reference Section 9a TMA 1970 or Code of Practice 8 (COP8).

    In the case of 2006/7 and 2007/8, some people received a letter inviting them to amend their return. This does not constitute opening an enquiry because you can't amend your return once it is under enquiry.

    What does it all mean?

    Well, if an enquiry wasn't opened properly then the subsequent closure notice may not be valid either. There could be grounds for getting the closure notice withdrawn or appealing on this basis to a tax tribunal.

    Checklist

    You need to check this for every single closure notice.
    1. You should have received a letter, prior to the CN, opening an enquiry.
    2. The enquiry should have either been opened inside the 12-month window OR if it was late, it should have included the word "discovery".
    3. The letter should have made it clear they were opening an enquiry.
    4. The letter should not have invited you to amend your self-assessment tax return.
    5. The letter should have advised you of your rights under COP8, and included the COP8 booklet - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pdfs/cop8.pdf

    If you think they have not followed due process in your case please contact NTRT.
    Last edited by DonkeyRhubarb; 31 August 2013, 11:28.

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      Superb spot! Anyone planning on attending?

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        Originally posted by DonkeyRhubarb View Post
        HMRC have made errors in the way they have opened enquiries. If this has happened to you then it potentially gives you individual grounds for appealing closure notices.

        Bottom line is it could save you tens of thousands of pounds. It's therefore in your own interest to check.

        However the devil is in the detail. Let's look at the process they should have followed, and to make it simple we'll use a specific tax year 2003/4.

        You would have filed your self-assessment for 2003/4 in January 2005. HMRC then have 12 months in which to open an enquiry ie. up until January 2006. If they missed the cut-off date then they would have had to open the enquiry under discovery.

        But they've made mistakes. Enquiries have been sent to the wrong address. Enquiries have been opened late without citing discovery. Closure Notices have been issued where no prior enquiry had ever been opened.

        Now let's come to the wording of the actual enquiry letter. At the very least the letter should say they are opening enquiries. It may also reference Section 9a TMA 1970 or Code of Practice 8 (COP8).

        In the case of 2006/7 and 2007/8, some people received a letter inviting them to amend their return. This does not constitute opening an enquiry because you can't amend your return once it is under enquiry.

        What does it all mean?

        Well, if an enquiry wasn't opened properly then the subsequent closure notice may not be valid either. There could be grounds for getting the closure notice withdrawn or appealing on this basis to a tax tribunal.

        Checklist

        You need to check this for every single closure notice.
        1. You should have received a letter, prior to the CN, opening an enquiry.
        2. The enquiry should have either been opened inside the 12-month window OR if it was late, it should have included the word "discovery".
        3. The letter should have made it clear they were opening an enquiry.
        4. The letter should not have invited you to amend your self-assessment tax return.

        If you think they have not followed due process in your case please contact NTRT.
        Good stuff DR!
        'Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual'. -
        Nick Pickles, director of Big Brother Watch.

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          Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
          Good stuff DR!
          I'm pretty sure mine was as per the correct procedure abet unfair (I had the COP8 stuff), but I've gone through my paperwork and I'm sure I must of lost some stuff. It has been 9 years since my first letter. Is it possible to get HMRC to send a copy of all the correspondence they have sent me?

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            Originally posted by nevergiveup View Post
            I'm pretty sure mine was as per the correct procedure abet unfair (I had the COP8 stuff), but I've gone through my paperwork and I'm sure I must of lost some stuff. It has been 9 years since my first letter. Is it possible to get HMRC to send a copy of all the correspondence they have sent me?
            I'm sure you could ask for a copy of everything under the Data Protection Act.

            In fact, I'd encourage everybody to do that, if they haven't already
            'Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual'. -
            Nick Pickles, director of Big Brother Watch.

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              Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
              I'm sure you could ask for a copy of everything under the Data Protection Act.

              In fact, I'd encourage everybody to do that, if they haven't already
              What a good idea. Can't each of us request their data every 42 days? Has anyone got an address for us to write to and what information we need to provide(Nationakl Insurance Number?)?

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                Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
                What a good idea. Can't each of us request their data every 42 days? Has anyone got an address for us to write to and what information we need to provide(Nationakl Insurance Number?)?
                Yes, I do believe you are entitled to request information every 42 days. However, they could refuse "vexatious" requests, but everybody is entitled to see what HMRC have on record for them.

                This appers to be the guidance here:
                HM Revenue & Customs: Information we hold about you - the Data Protection Act (DPA)

                So I guess a National Insurance number and maybe your self assesment code would suffice.

                It says that "you should make your DPA request to the HMRC office that you have been dealing with". For many people this might be HMRC Specialist Investigations, 7th Floor, Anchorage 2, Anchorage Quay, Salford, M50 3YF

                Don't forget to mention that you want everything they hold on you, including internal memos, etc, and remind them that it is their duty to deal with the request promptly and within 40 days of the request.
                Last edited by SantaClaus; 31 August 2013, 15:32.
                'Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual'. -
                Nick Pickles, director of Big Brother Watch.

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                  Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
                  Yes, I do believe you are entitled to request information every 42 days. However, they could refuse "vexatious" requests, but everybody is entitled to see what HMRC have on record for them.

                  This appers to be the guidance here:
                  HM Revenue & Customs: Information we hold about you - the Data Protection Act (DPA)

                  So I guess a National Insurance number and maybe your self assesment code would suffice.

                  It says that "you should make your DPA request to the HMRC office that you have been dealing with". For many people this might be HMRC Specialist Investigations, 7th Floor, Anchorage 2, Anchorage Quay, Salford, M50 3YF

                  Don't forget to mention that you want everything they hold on you, including internal memos, etc, and remind them that it is their duty to deal with the request promptly and within 40 days of the request.
                  Can you ask them to cross reference and ensure that no mention is made across other files? Just thinking how you can maximise the amount of work they have to do.
                  merely at clientco for the entertainment

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                    Originally posted by eek View Post
                    Can you ask them to cross reference and ensure that no mention is made across other files? Just thinking how you can maximise the amount of work they have to do.
                    Thank you for your input eek, but just to set the record straight, I wouldn't for one minute want to maximise HMRC's work or cause them unnecessary work. I just think every person has a right to see all the data that is on file for them and obtain letters that may have been mislaid.
                    'Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual'. -
                    Nick Pickles, director of Big Brother Watch.

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                      Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
                      I'm sure you could ask for a copy of everything under the Data Protection Act.

                      In fact, I'd encourage everybody to do that, if they haven't already
                      According to the guidance on their site:

                      The law also allows us to withhold information where, for example, release would be likely to

                      prejudice the prevention or detection of crime
                      prejudice the apprehension (arrest) or prosecution of offenders
                      prejudice the assessment or collection of any tax or duty
                      reveal the identity of another person, or information about them.
                      We will do our best to apply these conditions carefully, without damaging the effectiveness of our work, so that we can meet your requests as often as possible.
                      So given that they think our lawful tax planning was actually illegal, there may be a lot of "useful" information that they would hold back...

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