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Getting out of Dodge (aka Leaving the UK)

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    Getting out of Dodge (aka Leaving the UK)

    I've been away from the UK for a couple of months and ended up in Hong Kong. Having nothing better to do, I started looking for a permie job (I know, I know... ) and it looks like I'm going to get an offer of one to start in mid-Oct !!

    Having read through a number of posts on the subject, I thought I would post my assumptions on my tax status and ask the CUK panel if they can spot any holes. I'll also be getting in touch with my accountant just to get his thoughts as well.

    My situation is this:

    A) I'll probably be in the UK for around 110 days during this tax year. And then probably 10 days a year for the foreseeable future.

    B) The offer (touch wood) is for full time employment in HK.

    C) Although there's a Double Taxation Agreement between the UK and HK, it won't in come into effect until next year.

    D) No wife or kids. Only parents and siblings in the UK.

    E) I have a rental property.

    F) I also have a (mortgaged) flat which is my main residence. My preference is to sell, but I may rent it out or leave it empty.

    G) Since April, my UK income has been about £3500 and £10K in divs. With a bit of care, I can keep my div payments low so that my liability for 2010/11 could actually be zero.

    My questions are:

    1) Do I really have to fill in P85? I think I'm legally obliged to.

    2) Will I be treated as non-resident? The number-of-days rule is on my side but having an empty property may count against me as Hector could argue I haven't cut all ties.

    3) Without the DTA in force, will HMRC ask for the difference in income tax? I don't believe they will but this is Hector we're talking about.

    4) Once I'm properly non-resident, can I pay myself big dividends instead of doing the closing-down-company route? This seems to be more efficient as HK doesn't tax divs while I'd have to wait five years before CGT is no longer liable. Alternatively, I could keep the divs moderate over the next couple of years but where's the fun in that?


    The thoughts of the panel is gratefully appreciated.

    TaM.
    Last edited by TroubleAtMill; 21 August 2010, 06:39. Reason: Clarity

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    Originally posted by TroubleAtMill View Post
    I've been away from the UK for a couple of months and ended up in Hong Kong. Having nothing better to do, I started looking for a permie job (I know, I know... ) and it looks like I'm going to get an offer of one to start in mid-Oct !!

    Having read through a number of posts on the subject, I thought I would post my assumptions on my tax status and ask the CUK panel if they can spot any holes. I'll also be getting in touch with my accountant just to get his thoughts as well.

    My situation is this:

    A) I'll probably be in the UK for around 110 days during this tax year. And then probably 10 days a year for the foreseeable future.

    B) The offer (touch wood) is for full time employment in HK.

    C) Although there's a Double Taxation Agreement between the UK and HK, it won't in come into effect until next year.

    D) No wife or kids. Only parents and siblings in the UK.

    E) I have a rental property.

    F) I also have a (mortgaged) flat which is my main residence. My preference is to sell, but I may rent it out or leave it empty.

    G) Since April, my UK income has been about £3500 and £10K in divs. With a bit of care, I can keep my div payments low so that my liability for 2010/11 could actually be zero.

    My questions are:

    1) Do I really have to fill in P85? I think I'm legally obliged to.

    2) Will I be treated as non-resident? The number-of-days rule is on my side but having an empty property may count against me as Hector could argue I haven't cut all ties.

    3) Without the DTA in force, will HMRC ask for the difference in income tax? I don't believe they will but this is Hector we're talking about.

    4) Once I'm properly non-resident, can I pay myself big dividends instead of doing the closing-down-company route? This seems to be more efficient as HK doesn't tax divs while I'd have to wait five years before CGT is no longer liable. Alternatively, I could keep the divs moderate over the next couple of years but where's the fun in that?


    The thoughts of the panel is gratefully appreciated.

    TaM.
    You need specialist advice. I am not that specialist, I am someone that has left the country but I don't own any property there so my circumstances are different.

    1. You don't have to fill out the P85 if you are going to remain resident in the UK for tax purposes. You will need to fill it out if you are going to convince HMRC that you do not owe them any more money. It is not a complex form to fill out.

    2. This is one of those difficult questions to answer because the rules are not exactly fixed. The days outside the country used to be enough but they have cracked down recently and if you keep a residence in the UK I suspect that HMRC will decide that you are still resident there and tax you on your worldwide income, less tax you have paid in HK, which I doubt is the outcome that you are looking for.

    3. I can't answer this one.

    4. In theory yes but make sure you are certain about how HK will view your company and any income withdrawn from it. Some jurisdictions do not give a tulip but others will decide that your UK company became resident in their jurisdiction at the same time you did and view all money withdrawn from it as income and demand income tax on it.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Gonzo View Post
      2. This is one of those difficult questions to answer because the rules are not exactly fixed. The days outside the country used to be enough but they have cracked down recently and if you keep a residence in the UK I suspect that HMRC will decide that you are still resident there and tax you on your worldwide income, less tax you have paid in HK, which I doubt is the outcome that you are looking for.
      How's that work for rich famous people who own houses in several countries - film stars, etc?
      Originally posted by MaryPoppins
      I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
      Originally posted by vetran
      Urine is quite nourishing

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        #4
        Originally posted by d000hg View Post
        How's that work for rich famous people who own houses in several countries - film stars, etc?
        They use tax advisors, make sure they are a citizen of a tax haven and don't come on forums that you can google to ask questions.
        "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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          #5
          Originally posted by d000hg View Post
          How's that work for rich famous people who own houses in several countries - film stars, etc?
          Easy. They just wont visit Britain at all.

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