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BN66 - Round 2 (Court of Appeal)

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    Originally posted by TheBarCapBoyz View Post
    Should the case go to Europe, will HMRC still agree not to enforce collection, I wonder.
    IMO I would imagine that *if* we lost at the SC, they would start collections. After all, they could reasonably argue that the highest court in the Land has handed down a ruling on HRA which enshrines ECHR and this is a UK tax legislation matter not a European one. So the argument goes that whether we go to Europe or not, the ECHR angle has been ruled on via HRA and that's the end of it. For me, going to Europe offers (at best) a protracted chance of a win. But even if Europe said yes, does it mean the UK would hand the ill gotten gains back to us?

    So the CoA offers the first true test of our case in terms of what the LJ's say. On a positive note, let's not forget that the following never got aired by Parker and these go to the heart of the issue with BN66:

    1. Transparency - OECD defines this as the differentiator between tax avoidance and planning.
    2. Test Cases that never were
    3. Legitimate Expectation (the leveller for wide margin of appreciation in A1P1)
    4. Padmore was not fiscally retrospective
    5. Unusual protraction of resolving this by HMRC
    6. HMRC treating partnerships and trusts as though they are one of the same - They are not.

    And whilst I maintain that Parker fudged this issue, he also got some things wrong or used them to get off the hook:

    1. "Let sleeping dogs lie" - Infers evasion and is the opposite of the actual transparency
    2. Underlined double in double taxation or emphasised it more than 15 times in the diatribe to counter our claims. He simply ignores the fact that the correct amount of tax was paid in the IoM - 0%. That is not "no tax" or "nothing". It is a correctly calculated rate of tax.

    And finally, Public Policy and other "soft statements" were used by HMRC and Parker over and over. The CoA should look at the law, Statute and nothing more. None of these points have yet been commented on in the Courts.

    If / when they are by the CoA ruling, we'll know if these key factors give us traction.
    Lack of tax calculations being determined by HMRC

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      Originally posted by Emigre View Post
      Patience serves as a protection against wrongs as clothes do against cold. For if you put on more clothes as the cold increases, it will have no power to hurt you. So in like manner you must grow in patience when you meet with great wrongs, and they will then be powerless to vex your mind.

      Leonardo da Vinci
      Did he say that in "Titanic" or was it "Gangs of New York"?

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        Originally posted by Morlock View Post
        Did he say that in "Titanic" or was it "Gangs of New York"?
        inception wasnt it!!??

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          Originally posted by smalldog View Post
          inception wasnt it!!??
          Think it was DECEPTION

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            Originally posted by DonkeyRhubarb View Post
            I am pretty sure they'll continue to hold off if it goes to the UK Supreme Court.

            But I am not confident they would agree to wait while we took it to Europe.
            I'm sure too that HMRC won't wait until our case is heard in Europe. However if we do win in Europe, there will be a hell of a lot of compensation to be paid out for wrecked lives and lost homes. I for one will be baying for blood.
            'Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual'. -
            Nick Pickles, director of Big Brother Watch.

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              Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
              I'm sure too that HMRC won't wait until our case is heard in Europe. However if we do win in Europe, there will be a hell of a lot of compensation to be paid out for wrecked lives and lost homes. I for one will be baying for blood.
              Trouble is I'm not sure I can wait that long to bay for blood.

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                How many weeks now ???

                The suspense is killing me. . . .

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                  Originally posted by Lazylobster View Post
                  How many weeks now ???

                  The suspense is killing me. . . .
                  I've lost count of the weeks but it's approaching 4½ months.

                  Maybe they're working on HMRC-time and we'll have to wait 7 years.

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                    Long wait

                    Originally posted by Lazylobster View Post
                    How many weeks now ???

                    The suspense is killing me. . . .
                    here is another case DR highlighted last year which has been waiting for a judgement since July 2010.

                    Case Tracker for Civil Appeals

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                      its like being on death row

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