BN66 - JR Judgement Day

[silver_lining]

This is truly appalling. .....

Interesting to note that Milne was representing.

This non-dom point argument is in no way related to our situation or argument, the legal side of what constitues non-dom is very vague; I know this as I had looked into it myself many times; however the common theme of retroexecution continues.

Are we as a group just overly aware of retro litigation now because of whats happening to us... or has this just all surfaced recently ....it feels like a dream.

I am not sure where this leaves us or anyone for that matter, it has gone too far... alas I have no idea what we or anyone can do about it. Its think its going to take some bigwig influence or taps on the shoulder. The whole structure Parliament, Government, Judicary all seem to be singing the same tune...... I just find it a little strange even, statisically that all these rulings should end the same, when on the face of it.... they are at worst 50/50.....

One of these up coming challenges has to break the mould !

Feeling a little helpless this last few weeks....

[smalldog]

hmrc

interesting article in the times today about HMRC....its basically along the lines of HMRC in total chaos and grabbing at everything and anything they can to try and boost the public purse, the article points out:

1 - they seem to have zero consideration of the consequences of their strategy, i.e. driving away businesses, encouraging additional avoidance due to what individuals and businesses perceive to be victimisation.

2 - quote from the times:

the treasury would reap less money than expected from the 50p top rate of tax as a result of behavioural consequences of the higher tax rate. put in plan english that means top earners will do everything they can to avoid the new rate. It also potentially means that instead of getting 40% of £200k the treasury will collect 50 percent of nothing if the taxes drive higher earners out of britain

3 - interesting stats:

in late 70's the top 5 percent of earners paid 24% of all income tax, but now they pay 43.1%. in the late 80's the top 10% of earners paid 35% of all income tax, but now pay 53.3%

The message is simple - the lower the top rate of income tax the less people will try to dodge it and the more money the treasury raises. chasing high earners will also increase the costs for tax collectors, with admininstration becoming ever more complex, it may just not be cost effective. Entrepreneurs who leave may also take the jobs of those they employ with them, denying treasury income tax on those lower earners too. and that will leave those of us unable to relocate having to pay more...

pretty damning stuff!!

[BigBlackDog]

This should be a good laugh - NOT

HM Revenue & Customs is breaking new ground with a £370,000 sponsorship for a television series aimed at telling small businesses about the importance of record keeping. The four-part series of hour-long programmes, The Business Inspector, starts on channel Five on March 10, presented by Hilary Devey, founder, chairman and chief executive of the Pall-Ex Group. HMRC will produce the series in conjunction with Five and Optoment Television but no tax officials will feature on film and HMRC's exposure will be limited to an appearance in the credits.



HMRC will produce the series - but no tax officials will feature on film and HMRC's exposure will be limited to an appearance in the credits - Faceless again.

[smalldog]

HM Revenue & Customs is breaking new ground with a £370,000 sponsorship for a television series aimed at telling small businesses about the importance of record keeping. The four-part series of hour-long programmes, The Business Inspector, starts on channel Five on March 10, presented by Hilary Devey, founder, chairman and chief executive of the Pall-Ex Group. HMRC will produce the series in conjunction with Five and Optoment Television but no tax officials will feature on film and HMRC's exposure will be limited to an appearance in the credits.



HMRC will produce the series - but no tax officials will feature on film and HMRC's exposure will be limited to an appearance in the credits - Faceless again.

nice to know if I do end up having to pay then my money is going to a good cause!!! the only reason they are making this programme is not to help busineses, its to make their audit process easier when they decide to investigate you. what a bunch of wasters!!!!

oh and I read the article this morning that the cabinet have decided to hold their meetings outside London at a cost to the taxpayer of £200k a pop...another good use of public money that is apparently so short in supply..

[PlaneSailing]

HM Revenue & Customs is breaking new ground with a £370,000 sponsorship for a television series aimed at telling small businesses about the importance of record keeping. The four-part series of hour-long programmes, The Business Inspector, starts on channel Five on March 10, presented by Hilary Devey, founder, chairman and chief executive of the Pall-Ex Group. HMRC will produce the series in conjunction with Five and Optoment Television but no tax officials will feature on film and HMRC's exposure will be limited to an appearance in the credits.



HMRC will produce the series - but no tax officials will feature on film and HMRC's exposure will be limited to an appearance in the credits - Faceless again.

Record Keeping???? How about they show us all the records of exactly
what sort of 'investigating' they were doing on our tax returns for six years.

[PlaneSailing]

nice to know if I do end up having to pay then my money is going to a good cause!!! the only reason they are making this programme is not to help busineses, its to make their audit process easier when they decide to investigate you. what a bunch of wasters!!!!

oh and I read the article this morning that the cabinet have decided to hold their meetings outside London at a cost to the taxpayer of £200k a pop...another good use of public money that is apparently so short in supply..

Harriet financing Labour electioneering out of public funds? Surely not

[Boycie]

I've been reading all the reports in the press recently - including all the links on this site - about people obeying the law as it stands, yet still getting f***ed over by HMRC and it is truly appalling. Their latest offering about not letting tax advisors give tax advice would be a comedy sketch if it weren't so serious!
How on earth they are getting away with it at the moment is beyond me - nu liebour really are utter scum and will ruin the economy of this country because they just don't understand basic economics or human nature. . .and now add to that list the rule of law!

The other worrying thing is that if opinion polls are to be believed, 30% of the population would vote liebour if there was an election tomorrow. Who are these people?! Who actually want another 5 years of this unremitting s**t?!

I think Ms Marjam will be voting for them:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ound-online.do

[johnnyguitar]

Freedom under the law

My father used to have a family coat of arms on the wall at home (no idea where he got it) - the motto was 'freedom under the law'. It was very apt because he wouldn't break even the smallest of laws.
I'm sure he would have frowned at the Montpelier scheme initialy, but he was also a very logical person and wouldn't have denied it's logic - and legality at the time.
With a new case of retrospection/loose HMRC interpretation coming to light every day I'm really getting quite annoyed even frightened at what is happening to our country.
The uncertainty they are bringing into the tax and judicial system is certainly undermining my 'freedom under the law' - becase there are no laws, just interpretations.
Speaking to my family last night I announced that if Labour stay in government, or this shambles is allowed to continue, we will be moving country. And that is no light threat on my part - I love it here, but I can't operate under this regime, I can't have freedom if I don't know what the law is anymore.
I'm completely baffled as to how HMRC expect me to operate as an independent, freelance consultant. They are killing off the flexible, highly-skilled, adaptable workforce that business needs and turning us into a communist state.
At this rate, the country will be left with ditch-diggers and no-one to tell them where to dig.

Is it not time that these cases be collated and presented to MPs ? - we need to highlight not just our case but this underlying attack on our legal and judical system.
My concern is, even with a change of government, that doesn't necessarily mean a change of day-to-day operations of the HMRC.
In the meantime, I'm hitting the jobsites. I don't care what I pay in tax, but I need to know that what I pay is not going to change, retrospectively. I'm off.

[KiwiGuy]

interesting article in the times today about HMRC....its basically along the lines of HMRC in total chaos and grabbing at everything and anything they can to try and boost the public purse, the article points out:

1 - they seem to have zero consideration of the consequences of their strategy, i.e. driving away businesses, encouraging additional avoidance due to what individuals and businesses perceive to be victimisation.

2 - quote from the times:

the treasury would reap less money than expected from the 50p top rate of tax as a result of behavioural consequences of the higher tax rate. put in plan english that means top earners will do everything they can to avoid the new rate. It also potentially means that instead of getting 40% of £200k the treasury will collect 50 percent of nothing if the taxes drive higher earners out of britain

3 - interesting stats:

in late 70's the top 5 percent of earners paid 24% of all income tax, but now they pay 43.1%. in the late 80's the top 10% of earners paid 35% of all income tax, but now pay 53.3%

The message is simple - the lower the top rate of income tax the less people will try to dodge it and the more money the treasury raises. chasing high earners will also increase the costs for tax collectors, with admininstration becoming ever more complex, it may just not be cost effective. Entrepreneurs who leave may also take the jobs of those they employ with them, denying treasury income tax on those lower earners too. and that will leave those of us unable to relocate having to pay more...

pretty damning stuff!!

its just a shame the govt doesnt listen to sense or understand statistics, they are all about just covering there own ASSets, HMRC we know your read, how about getting some b@lls and start saying "Look IR35 was a waste of money, Look ruining 2000 families under BN66 isnt productive towards the country....."

[KiwiGuy]

My father used to have a family coat of arms on the wall at home (no idea where he got it) - the motto was 'freedom under the law'. It was very apt because he wouldn't break even the smallest of laws.
I'm sure he would have frowned at the Montpelier scheme initialy, but he was also a very logical person and wouldn't have denied it's logic - and legality at the time.
With a new case of retrospection/loose HMRC interpretation coming to light every day I'm really getting quite annoyed even frightened at what is happening to our country.
The uncertainty they are bringing into the tax and judicial system is certainly undermining my 'freedom under the law' - becase there are no laws, just interpretations.
Speaking to my family last night I announced that if Labour stay in government, or this shambles is allowed to continue, we will be moving country. And that is no light threat on my part - I love it here, but I can't operate under this regime, I can't have freedom if I don't know what the law is anymore.
I'm completely baffled as to how HMRC expect me to operate as an independent, freelance consultant. They are killing off the flexible, highly-skilled, adaptable workforce that business needs and turning us into a communist state.
At this rate, the country will be left with ditch-diggers and no-one to tell them where to dig.

Is it not time that these cases be collated and presented to MPs ? - we need to highlight not just our case but this underlying attack on our legal and judical system.
My concern is, even with a change of government, that doesn't necessarily mean a change of day-to-day operations of the HMRC.
In the meantime, I'm hitting the jobsites. I don't care what I pay in tax, but I need to know that what I pay is not going to change, retrospectively. I'm off.

I know at least 5 other contractors who have had enough and are leaving, 2 of which have been through IR35 "I will waste your time" Audits, before you make the assumption they are Kiwi's they are british, only one of them has been effected by this scheme. Its a fact, the highly skilled often move where the money is and provide a huge amount to a country, most people (highly skilled or otherwise) dont believe this country is it any more, all that will be left over here are benifit cheats and the elderly, i feel sorry for the eliderly.