BN66 - JR Judgement Day

[KiwiGuy]

Our Thanks you to DR

Hey Guys,

Im going to get our little thank you to sent off tomorrow, so any last minute contributions to the "Cheers for all the work DR" club please send me a message and ill give the details.

regards

Kiwi

[nuffsaid]

I think we need a website with

1. Regular News updates
2. A full history of events
3. Examples of letters that people may receive and advice
4. Guide to getting a CTD
5. Encouragement as to why we should continue the fight
6. Press Page - Clear, concise and factual bullit point information.
7. A calandar of upcoming events and milestones
8. A discussion forum with clear guidelines on what should not be posted in public.

A campaign site sounds good to me.

Personally, I am not sure how much more we as a group can do to influence the outcome. And there is even a risk that our actions could be counter-productive.

We could do something to get the wider audience aware of the retrospective implications. Perhaps the above site should be more geared towards that?


Hmmmm... the more I think about it the more I realise that we have going at the wrong angle. It should be "how this could affect you" (the public, the country), not "how it will affect me".
The site could list quotes from vairous key people warning of the ill effects. And a copy of the letter from David Cameron showing how he said he supports us.
We can play the moral card too.

[RockTheBoat]

Hey Guys,

Im going to get our little thank you to sent off tomorrow, so any last minute contributions to the "Cheers for all the work DR" club please send me a message and ill give the details.

regards

Kiwi

Good work Kiwi

ive donated.



come on people. get in touch with KiwiGuy ASAP

[ContractIn]

Good work Kiwi

ive donated.



come on people. get in touch with KiwiGuy ASAP

Done. Enjoy DR.

[marcuss]

Done...

Excellent work to both DR for the main cause and Kiwi for organising this!

Good work Kiwi

ive donated.



come on people. get in touch with KiwiGuy ASAP

[ASB]

1. people discussing the case, giving the revenue a heads up on our potential defense.

Given the way our system works I think this is probably an irrelevance for a number of reasons (though I do understand the fear). In terms of this challenge:-

- There is now an agreed set of facts. No new ones can be introduced. [However if anything substantial was discovered - e.g. lack of disclosure this can be enough to grant a new hearing]

- Whether an appeal is successful or not is a matter of determining whether the appropriate law an precedent was correctly applied (or indeed even considered).

- Since nobody is LIP skeleton arguments must be lodged by both sides at an appropriate time before hearing (2 weeks I think). [LIP's arguably get the chance to ambush with 'new' information represented people don't]. The affect of this is that both sides will know the citations and general argument (but not detailed argument) to be used by the other side. [Of course one side can always expand upon it's skeleton with new citations during oral submission, however the judge is entitled to disregard this, adjourn etc. The other side is of course also allowed to object - because they will want to consider it in terms of their detailed argument].

Some basic introduction can be found here:-

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1220.htm

What I'm saying is that this is not (entirely) an adversarial hearing. It is a reasoned argument - from both sides - of why the law supports their view rather than the other sides.

The initial failure of the judicial review does shift the balance, essentially it is for the Huitson team to prove (on the balance of probabilities) the judge erred in law.

In any event it is necessary for Huitson himself to want to appeal. (i.e. just because this decision is important to "you" collectively doesn't mean the appeal - assuming so advised by counsel - will happen).

This at least is my understanding the next stage of the process that might occur.

[KiwiGuy]

a legal question

Hey, you know how we are worried that the HMRC is using the forum for a source of information, and have indeed used information from here in the JR, why cant we just put something like this at the end of our signitures

"This information is for the intended forum post only, any used of this information outside the forum must be requested in writing to the Author"

[Gaskie]

Hi guys,

A quick question regarding this case. I am in a similar (loan based) scheme which, although I believe is still "legal", I think it will become illegal shortly. I would like to leave it when I start my next contract,but my real question is this:

The retrospective tax that is being proposed, is it payable at PAYE rates or do they make a special case considering the fact that contractors never work at true PAYE rates?

Cheers,

Gaskie.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

In any event it is necessary for Huitson himself to want to appeal. (i.e. just because this decision is important to "you" collectively doesn't mean the appeal - assuming so advised by counsel - will happen).

I really feel for the guy the way his name has been plastered all over the papers but he had no involvement in the case whatsoever. (I know because I am in contact with him.) He was only picked by Montpelier to go on the application because he was one of the first people to receive CNs.

Maybe everyone should be thanking him not me.

[portseven]

I really feel for the guy the way his name has been plastered all over the papers but he had no involvement in the case whatsoever. (I know because I am in contact with him.) He was only picked by Montpelier to go on the application because he was one of the first people to receive CNs.

Maybe everyone should be thanking him not me.

I am tempted to offer him out for a drink as he doesn't live to far from me, maybe we can do a BN66 Manchester piss up?