BN66 - JR Judgement Day

[robinhood]

Im not saying they can or will, but the more people that contest this the more chance we have of someone standing up and saying, hold on a minute we've got two of the largest accounting and consultancy companies in the world disagreeing with this, is this right?....not just 2500 scum without any corporate clout (their view of us I suspect)...

gotta remember it was consultancies that had enough corporate might to lobby for and encourage Dim Prawn to introduce IR35 legislation in the first place if they can do that, who knows what they can influence....the more big names that bring this to judicial attention the more chance we have..

Yep good point -the PWC case will be pivotal in my opinion as this will not be clouded with the words 'IT contractors' which always seem put us at a disadvantage.

[weeboaby]

sorry to correct you but you dont owe a bean right now....I stand corrected (said the man in the orthopedic shoes) if you log into the government portal and can see all the CN's as now due..

Sorry. Newbie / lurker here, who just sent all his stuff to MTM like told. How do I do that?

[smalldog]

Sorry. Newbie / lurker here, who just sent all his stuff to MTM like told. How do I do that?

ok, no worries...Im not going to flame you like some others people might, not mentioning any names

if you go to www.gateway.gov.uk if enables you to register for the government gateway and then get access to your online tax account. That shows what if anything you owe..

[smalldog]

Yep good point -the PWC case will be pivotal in my opinion as this will not be clouded with the words 'IT contractors' which always seem put us at a disadvantage.

also dont forget there are some pretty influential people who sit on some of these boards.....just to illustrate my point:


The leader in the field is PricewaterhouseCoopers, which established its Corporate Finance Advisory Board in late 2001. The motivation for that was threefold, says head of corporate finance Graeme Pike: improving the quality of idea generation; the quality of pitching for work; and leveraging contacts within targeted industry sectors.

The board is currently nine-strong, and has been chaired since its inception by Roger Freeman, a former PwC partner and Conservative MP who now also sits in the House of Lords. Apart from Freeman, the advisors are mostly industry specialists with decades of experience. Each contributes the equivalent of one or two days a month to PwC, around 80 per cent of which is spent working directly with an individual partner or partner group covering their specialist sector. The advisors also meet as a board three times a year. Freeman, as chair, says he spends a third of his time with PwC but is constantly on call.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

How can PWC win ? Same arrangements as us but I suppose with a different judge you never know

Nope, entirely different argument to us. See first post of this thread for details.

[weeboaby]

ok, no worries...Im not going to flame you like some others people might, not mentioning any names

if you go to www.gateway.gov.uk if enables you to register for the government gateway and then get access to your online tax account. That shows what if anything you owe..

Thanks. Much appreciated.

[weeboaby]

With reference to my previous post.

Is there someone who
1) Had no returns under investigation prior to 2008 budget
2) Had returns that had been "accepted" by HMRC because they weren't queried in the 12 month window after the 31 Jan filing deadline
3) Preferably had a number of tax returns which satisfied 2)
4) Subsequently received a closure notice?

-> I am sure there are.

Surely this would blow a lot of the judges arguments out of the window? Could we have another JR.

Yes, to all of the above.

[scott_free]

I'd like to move on with my life, in terms of deals is this not an option on an individual basis with HMRC ?

Has anyone attempted this, any information appreciated before I go through this loop of further appeals

Have they, for example refused to accept settlement without incurring interest charges ?

[MuddyFunster]

The ruling yesterday reminded me of something that was said to me by Vince Cable during a meeting I had with him last summer.

"It's parliament's intention to close down tax avoidance schemes retrospectively as there are so many of them popping up and this is the only way to deal with them." he said.

I thought at the time, **** that!!! You can't have a government do this and get away with it. After yesterday's decision, looks like he's correct. We certainly seem to be the guinea pigs for what will certainly become a wider net for others to fall into .

[doodab]

How can PWC win ? Same arrangements as us but I suppose with a different judge you never know

My feeling is that one of these cases will rely on Article 6

In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal
charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing
within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal
established by law.

The ECHR has found in the past that some retrospective legislation contravenes this.