BN66 - Time to fight back (Chapter 3)

[poppy01]

A mate of mine is with De Graaf, and he told me that they've also applied for a JR.

Good news, the more the merrier. However , not knowing much about how these things work, it surprises me two JR's can be actioned challenging the same legislation simultaneously

[BrilloPad]

Good news, the more the merrier. However , not knowing much about how these things work, it surprises me two JR's can be actioned challenging the same legislation simultaneously

Apparently one will be chosen.

[ContractIn]

Apparently one will be chosen.

So what happens if De Graff are chosen? Will MTM team up with them and provide suppport etc or sit back and wait for the outcome?

At no time in any MTM correspondence have we been led to believe that MTM would not be representing themselves over the BN66 matter?

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Letter to YouKnowWho

Dear Mr YouKnowWho (and your sidekick),

I do hope this reaches you.

It is now over 5 months since FA 2008 became law and you got your shiny new legislation, so perhaps it is an appropriate point to review your progress to date.

1. It took you nearly 2 months before you started issuing Closure Notices
2. In the 3 months since then, you have only sent 300. By my reckoning, if you maintain this pace you might just get them all out by the 1st anniversary of the legislation
3. You have been sitting on the first batch of appeals for 3 months now

In your recent letter you stated:

The human Rights Act does not affect the validity, continuing operation or enforcement of any incompatible primary legislation.

If a declaration of incompatibility is made it remains for Parliament to decide what, if any, action to take.

The effect of this is that the outcome of the JR will not in itself change the law and the tax will remain due.

You will have to forgive us if we seem a bit sceptical but many of us have been on the receiving end of your hollow words for 5 years or more. Perhaps you haven't read the story about the little boy who cried wolf?

If the JR is of no consequence to you, then what are you waiting for? Prove to us that you mean what you say, and proceed immediately with an appeal case to the Special Commissioners. Until you do this, I don't see how you can honestly expect us to take you seriously.

Yours sincerely,

DonkeyRhubarb

PS. perhaps in your next letter you might care to explain what you are doing with our appeals, since you are obviously not waiting for the outcome of the JR.

[BrilloPad]

Dear Mr YouKnowWho (and your sidekick),

I do hope this reaches you.

It is now over 5 months since FA 2008 became law and you got your shiny new legislation, so perhaps it is an appropriate point to review your progress to date.

1. It took you nearly 2 months before you started issuing Closure Notices
2. In the 3 months since then, you have only sent 300. By my reckoning, if you maintain this pace you might just get them all out by the 1st anniversary of the legislation
3. You have been sitting on the first batch of appeals for 3 months now

In your recent letter you stated:

The human Rights Act does not affect the validity, continuing operation or enforcement of any incompatible primary legislation.

If a declaration of incompatibility is made it remains for Parliament to decide what, if any, action to take.

The effect of this is that the outcome of the JR will not in itself change the law and the tax will remain due.

You will have to forgive us if we seem a bit sceptical but many of us have been on the receiving end of your hollow words for 5 years or more. Perhaps you haven't read the story about the little boy who cried wolf?

If the JR is of no consequence to you, then what are you waiting for? Prove to us that you mean what you say, and proceed immediately with an appeal case to the Special Commissioners. Until you do this, I don't see how you can honestly expect us to take you seriously.

Yours sincerely,

DonkeyRhubarb

[SantaClaus]

Dear Mr YouKnowWho (and your sidekick),

I do hope this reaches you.

It is now over 5 months since FA 2008 became law and you got your shiny new legislation, so perhaps it is an appropriate point to review your progress to date.

1. It took you nearly 2 months before you started issuing Closure Notices
2. In the 3 months since then, you have only sent 300. By my reckoning, if you maintain this pace you might just get them all out by the 1st anniversary of the legislation
3. You have been sitting on the first batch of appeals for 3 months now

In your recent letter you stated:

The human Rights Act does not affect the validity, continuing operation or enforcement of any incompatible primary legislation.

If a declaration of incompatibility is made it remains for Parliament to decide what, if any, action to take.

The effect of this is that the outcome of the JR will not in itself change the law and the tax will remain due.

You will have to forgive us if we seem a bit sceptical but many of us have been on the receiving end of your hollow words for 5 years or more. Perhaps you haven't read the story about the little boy who cried wolf?

If the JR is of no consequence to you, then what are you waiting for? Prove to us that you mean what you say, and proceed immediately with an appeal case to the Special Commissioners. Until you do this, I don't see how you can honestly expect us to take you seriously.

Yours sincerely,

DonkeyRhubarb

Well said DR!

Here's hoping Mr YouKnowWho's TM heating breaks down this christmas

[poppy01]

I went to the bookies at the weekend and put £10 on a horse. Since I am somewhat averse to risk, I decided I would put my money on the favourite. Unfortunately in error I put my money on a 500-1 donkey. When the donkey duly failed to finish, and the favourite romped home, I went the bookies and told him I had obviously meant to put my money on the favourite, since it would have been foolish to have done otherwise.

The bookie was happy to accept my contention and agreed to change the name on my betting slip and pay me my winnings.

This is basically the second part of HMRC's defense

[TAF4]

Christmas Cheer

Hi guys..
Well the brown envelope has landed. 3 years 'Completion of Enquiry' notices with a total well into 6 figures due!!

At least I now know my discovered exposure but the timing is excellent. My finance director (SWMBO) is throwing a big strop which bodes well for the festivities.

[xantamisch]

DG have also applied for JR (last July I think). No date as yet

[NO TO RETRO]

Cn

Just heard from MP that they have received 300 now. So about 700 to go.

They have had a sudden flurry in the past few days, which I suppose could be due to delays in the post, obviously not helped by the fact that HMRC send them 2nd class!!!

It is entirely possible that you could miss the 28 day deadline for appealing at this time of the year through no fault of your own.

Hello:
I have been with MP since 2003. Still not received any CN. A question to those who have received them - were they for the amount you expected/told by MP or were they for more or less? I had MP send me a breakdown of my potential tax liabilities in the case of a successfull HMRC challenge and just wondered if these figures could be relied upon.
Thanks