BN66 - Time to fight back!!!

[BrilloPad]

I agree. Why dont you shut up until this thing is decided instead of insisting your interpretation is correct.

Why so agressive? What I am suggesting is how government and tax should work. It is not a lack of understanding of how it does work.
Neither was I taking sides, I do not know the detail of this and at the moment cant be arsed to look it up, so how could I take sides.
There will never be a mob at Downing Street. The great unwashed do not care about most of this only the stuff that directly affects them. Poll tax and fuel tax being the only causes in recent years to even raise a murmer and even then only because somebody roused the rabble.

We are not all against you.

Don't be a tit all your life. Take a day off, make it today.

and you think I am aggressive? pot meet kettle. kettle meet pot.

I am happy to wait for the outcome. But there are some posting here who will not wait. Partly for their own selfish reasons.

I agree about the Downing Street mob. Hence I am looking after my family.

[BrilloPad]

Quick history lesson. IR35 was challenged under ECHR rules at the time and it was ruled out of scope. Permission to lauch a JR was similarly refused as having no justifiable legal basis. The PCG and the later IR35 industry grew out of those two refusals. Personally I can't see that anything has changed over the last 10 years that would reverse them, but I would be more than happy to be proved wrong.

I bet if a law was introduced that clarified IR35 retrospectively then there would be a JR and it would succeed.

[The Lone Gunman]

and you think I am aggressive? pot meet kettle. kettle meet pot.

That is not aggression that is self defence, it is measured and it is also good advice.

I am happy to wait for the outcome.

It would appear not.

I bet if a law was introduced that clarified IR35 retrospectively then there would be a JR and it would succeed.

[silver_lining]

The case is very weak in that the will of parliament is such that I don't see anyone looking on this case favourably, as is demonstrated by many individuals on this thread. As such, I am doubtful about a JR getting granted.... but as I am affected, I have to be hopeful.

However, it upsets me that just because contractors take advantage of complex tax planning, the mob are out to poke fun and have a go, instead of taking a stance against the idiots who undermine the legal process for everyone, i.e. our shambolic government. I personally don't mind paying tax, but get it right up front. I would also suggest there are elements of discrimination in the new laws, i.e. the wording could be slightly changed to widen the net significantly, but of course this would nail some very big political fish and of course cause issues for the government.

Regarding the business of clarification; some individuals keep alluding to the fact it is an open and shut case, i.e. the law was already in place etc. If it were that simple why wasn't the same action taken 5 yrs ago and save everyone a lot of time and money? The legal process is never an open and shut case....

[BrilloPad]

That is not aggression that is self defence, it is measured and it is also good advice.

It would appear not.

You think calling people a tit is self defence? You are as f**kwitted as my ex-wife - I appreciate that is aggressive (and probably uncalled for as I would prefer to encourage debate) but at least I am honest.

BTW my ex works HMRC too - I could tell a few stories of the things they get up to. but not on this thread. It is not nice.

[The Lone Gunman]

You think calling people a tit is self defence? You are as f**kwitted as my ex-wife - I appreciate that is aggressive (and probably uncalled for as I would prefer to encourage debate) but at least I am honest.

BTW my ex works HMRC too - I could tell a few stories of the things they get up to. but not on this thread. It is not nice.

Now I understand why your wife has your house and your kids.
I hope your JR goes the same way.

[BrilloPad]

Now I understand why your wife has your house and your kids.
I hope your JR goes the same way.

ohhhhh!

<waves handbag at TLG>

My wife has the house, money and income. I have the kids. Given the choice I would pick them.

You really are very sensitive aren't you? Or is it just senility?

[smalldog]

just to try and calm the situation somewhat

From my perspective the government are doing the equivalent of saying:

Dear general public, you know we have been charging you £100 a year for car tax, well weve been having a think over here at Hector HQ, and now we think that it should have been £150 for the last ten years. So we are going to send you a tax bill for the difference for the last ten years.

thats the issue I have and on the basis Hector knew about this for the last 6 years its even more lame to now implement retrospection or clarification or whatever you want call it, the outcome is the same...backdated charges

[BrilloPad]

just to try and calm the situation somewhat

From my perspective the government are doing the equivalent of saying:

Dear general public, you know we have been charging you £100 a year for car tax, well weve been having a think over here at Hector HQ, and now we think that it should have been £150 for the last ten years. So we are going to send you a tax bill for the difference for the last ten years.

thats the issue I have and on the basis Hector knew about this for the last 6 years its even more lame to now implement retrospection or clarification or whatever you want call it, the outcome is the same...backdated charges

So what? We are tax evading scum who have no sympathy from the public so get what we deserve. I know its true as Mal told me. Or did I read it in the Sun?

Do try to keep up!!!

When we all get sent to prison do you think we will get neighbouring cells?

[smalldog]

hmm real life prison break, sounds fun