given a lift by a permie to a site

[beeker]

I've searched the forum for any previous posts on this to no avail. I'm currently being forced to travel 50 miles to a permie's house for them to then use the company "pool car" to travel the further 150 miles to the site we are required to work on from time to time.

This will become more frequent soon and I just wonder if I should be travelling in this manner if I wish to stay outside IR35 - my theory being if they were to employ a tradesman to work on a site, they wouldn't give him a lift to the site!?

I have a contract negotiation very soon and I am thinking of clarifying this situation with either a higher rate or just travelling on my own. Work on this site requires an average day (including travel) of 10 hours - i'm a day rater!!

Would also appreciate anyone's advice on rates for working for say 2 weeks at a different site and being away from home overnight - do you charge a retainer for being away overnight as well as the hotel fee's etc...?!

really don't know how to approach this one!!

Thanks!!
Beeker.

[TheFaQQer]

It sounds like D&C to me, since they are essentially dictating when you are working (plus how you get there).

What difference does it make to them how you get to site - are you charging expenses?

[beeker]

It sounds like D&C to me, since they are essentially dictating when you are working (plus how you get there).

What difference does it make to them how you get to site - are you charging expenses?

yep, @40p a mile back to them, they only pay their staff 20p a mile.....
300 mile return trip to the site I dont feel is within my dayrate!?

[r0bly0ns]

I can't see this being a problem myself (from an IR35 point of view).

If they are paying your travelling expenses it is in their interests to arrange travel for you.


Perfectly reasonable in my opinion.

[TheFaQQer]

yep, @40p a mile back to them, they only pay their staff 20p a mile.....
300 mile return trip to the site I dont feel is within my dayrate!?

So they are paying you 40p a mile for the 50 miles to the employees house?

If you are working between sites, then for the difference of being away I would agree to charge expenses including accommodation (or they arrange it for you and pick up the tab).

I'd not be happy about being told how I got to their site or not - they agreed to pay expenses, they should pay them. Of course, you could offer to cut your mileage rate a bit to help the situation.

[beeker]

So they are paying you 40p a mile for the 50 miles to the employees house?

If you are working between sites, then for the difference of being away I would agree to charge expenses including accommodation (or they arrange it for you and pick up the tab).

I'd not be happy about being told how I got to their site or not - they agreed to pay expenses, they should pay them. Of course, you could offer to cut your mileage rate a bit to help the situation.

Your last para is what's annoying me. I think you are right in discussing a reduced mileage rate, and getting myself to/from sites.

I'd like to charge them an increased rate for work at Site X as it includes a longer working day and lunch etc, and possible overnight stays. If they pay for any and all accomodation I can just invoice for an inflated day rate which will include mileage and subsistance? Keeps things simpler for them and me?!

[r0bly0ns]

I'd like to charge them an increased rate for work at Site X as it includes a longer working day and lunch etc, and possible overnight stays. If they pay for any and all accomodation I can just invoice for an inflated day rate which will include mileage and subsistance? Keeps things simpler for them and me?!

If working at Site X was not part of your original contract then you are well within your rights to put this to them.

If out current client requires me to work at another site for a day, I just charge them normal hourly rate for all travel time, which they are happy with.

[beeker]

If working at Site X was not part of your original contract then you are well within your rights to put this to them.

If out current client requires me to work at another site for a day, I just charge them normal hourly rate for all travel time, which they are happy with.

That makes sense, charging rate for travel time - do you charge for mileage too? or do you accept that is within your rate?

I'm taking on board some good pointers here, i'm just about to (hopefully) renew my first contract!

[TheFaQQer]

That makes sense, charging rate for travel time - do you charge for mileage too? or do you accept that is within your rate?

I'm taking on board some good pointers here, i'm just about to (hopefully) renew my first contract!

If I was charging for time, then I'd absorb the cost of the mileage (assuming it was worth my while).

I normally don't charge for time, though, unless it's massively outside what we agreed at the start. It's all part of a day to me.

[beeker]

If I was charging for time, then I'd absorb the cost of the mileage (assuming it was worth my while).

I normally don't charge for time, though, unless it's massively outside what we agreed at the start. It's all part of a day to me.

So basically one or the other, if they want me at Site X - I get there myself and either charge mileage (reduced rate) or travel time at an hourly breakdown of day rate?

thanks for all the advice!