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Comparing inside/outside rates?

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    #21
    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

    I think that's because we are probably all tired of bouncing this one around and never getting an answer so just don't bother
    On that point I was thinking more about agencies / accountancy firms then posters here.

    I only did the above because it was more interesting than the task I need to do.
    merely at clientco for the entertainment

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      #22
      Originally posted by eek View Post
      so someone was asking a question to me and I don't have time to fully answer it but I do have 1 additional fact

      For every penny above £50,270 to £100,000

      Outside IR35

      £1 in profit results in £0.735 after Corporation tax (at the 26.5% band)
      £1 paid as a dividend will give you £0.6625 (after dividend tax of 33.75%)
      So £1 in profit gives you a dividend of 1*0.735*0.6625= 48.7p

      Reversing that £1 take home pay will require the company to make £2.05 in profit

      Inside IR35

      £1 in pay results in £0.58 after tax (40%) and additional employee NI (2%)
      £1 agency fee results in a £0.875 of pay (after employer NI and apprenticeship levy deductions of 14.3%.
      So £1 agency fee results in take home pay of £0.5075

      Reversing that £1 take home pay requires an agency fee of £1.97

      So once we get above £50,000a year unless you have expenses or wish to keep money for a future day being inside is a better deal...


      Got to say I'm really surprised no-one has actually noticed / mentioned this outright...
      I thought the corporation tax rate is on a sliding scale between £50k and £250k? I used an online calculator (might have been on the .GOV site) which suggested my true CT rate would be around 23.5%.

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        #23
        Originally posted by edison View Post

        I thought the corporation tax rate is on a sliding scale between £50k and £250k? I used an online calculator (might have been on the .GOV site) which suggested my true CT rate would be around 23.5%.
        I don't understand the 26.5% band either when the max rate is 25%, and that's before the marginal rate is deducted. Playing around with the calculator my effective corp tax rate will be 22%. But I had not realised how close the tax burden was on in comparison between the two.
        Last edited by BlueSharp; 21 April 2023, 13:08.
        Make Mercia Great Again!

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          #24
          Originally posted by edison View Post

          I thought the corporation tax rate is on a sliding scale between £50k and £250k? I used an online calculator (might have been on the .GOV site) which suggested my true CT rate would be around 23.5%.
          While HMRC talks about tapering the tapering is actual the consequence of everything from £50,001 to £250,000 being taxed at 26.5% to provide that tapering.

          So 22% = £50,000 at 19% + £y,000 at 26.5%

          And I link to someone who you may trust more than me given that tax is how they make their money

          https://www.whitefieldtax.co.uk/help...n-tax-changes/
          Last edited by eek; 21 April 2023, 13:25.
          merely at clientco for the entertainment

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            #25
            The effective rate is 26.5%, it's even on the HMRC website as that.

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