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Pro-rata NI for director appointed at the end of tax year

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    #11
    I think you can do what you are suggesting under current rules, but I am not an accountant. I personally would not do it because of the new aggressive avoidance rules and this might be considered to cross that line.

    If you do decide to do it, I think it would be very stupid to pay your wife £11.8K for one month and then £11K for 12 months. So what you do is you pay her £1.8K / month, and you pay her the amount for one month in March. Then, you make an additional £10K advance/anticipatory payment in March as an advance on the next year's fees. NI is due when the advance/anticipatory payment is made, not when it is earned. The page you linked above, page 9, item 30.

    That way at least you can claim you DIDN'T pay her £11K for one month and then less than £1K per month for the following months. You just made an advance payment to a director to bring some of the money into this tax year. Happens all the time.

    Again, I wouldn't do what you are suggesting. I don't think the savings is enough to make it worth looking so suspicious. If you are going to make her a director do it now and pay her now and pay a few quid extra tax, you are still making a real nice savings over not doing so. This just strikes me as greedy and risky and not worth it.

    But everyone has their own risk tolerance.

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      #12
      Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
      I think you can do what you are suggesting under current rules, but I am not an accountant. I personally would not do it because of the new aggressive avoidance rules and this might be considered to cross that line.
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      If you do decide to do it, I think it would be very stupid to pay your wife £11.8K for one month and then £11K for 12 months. So what you do is you pay her £1.8K / month, and you pay her the amount for one month in March. Then, you make an additional £10K advance/anticipatory payment in March as an advance on the next year's fees. NI is due when the advance/anticipatory payment is made, not when it is earned. The page you linked above, page 9, item 30.

      That way at least you can claim you DIDN'T pay her £11K for one month and then less than £1K per month for the following months. You just made an advance payment to a director to bring some of the money into this tax year. Happens all the time.
      If he's going to bugger about doing that he might as well just take the stupid option and hope he doesn't get caught. That's not going to fool anyone.

      I didn't think you could pay in advance for work not done yet either.
      Again, I wouldn't do what you are suggesting. I don't think the savings is enough to make it worth looking so suspicious. If you are going to make her a director do it now and pay her now and pay a few quid extra tax, you are still making a real nice savings over not doing so. This just strikes me as greedy and risky and not worth it.
      Totally this.
      But everyone has their own risk tolerance.
      And I think we've pretty much clarified the OPs tolerance
      'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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        #13
        Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
        If he's going to bugger about doing that he might as well just take the stupid option and hope he doesn't get caught. That's not going to fool anyone.
        Outside the one-man band world, advance payments to directors are hardly rare or eyebrow-raising material. FWIW.

        As I said, I wouldn't muck around with this.

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          #14
          Thanks for your advice. I decided to appoint my wife now and pay her more balanced remuneration.

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            #15
            Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
            And I think we've pretty much clarified the OPs tolerance
            So maybe you haven't after all.

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              #16
              Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
              So maybe you haven't after all.
              I still think I'm not so far off
              'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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